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BANGKOK 17 November 2018 18:11
Kenny202

Realities of teaching in Thailand without work permit

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Been looking into working in Thailand as a teacher. Was looking at TEFL courses etc but don't have a degree so looks like obtaining a work permit even with TEFL almost impossible. I'm up country and from experience it would seem many of the private schools or language schools are reluctant to go through the rigmoral / expense of obtaining a WP for a teacher with or without a degree or qualifications. Please don't misunderstand my post. If I do go into this field, I want to do a good job and take it seriously but seems to me many of these "schools" are more interested in a baby sitter or just having a white face in the place rather than the kids actually learning something and this seems to be more the case in private schools where you would expect a better level of education. I mean a school willing to take someone with no experience to teach kids not only English but Science and maths? Classes contain kids of ages 5 through to 12! How could you teach these kids on the same level?

No class plan, no learning tools. Keep them busy and entertained. Guaranteed pass.

So, it appears to me there are many teachers here working without work permits, particularly out in the sticks..... and to some degree on and off it looks like the government tolerates this based on the availability of English teachers. I don't expect anyone to come on here and openly state they are working without a WP but realistically, what would happen to someone who got caught out in this situation? I think legally the official penalty can be deportation / fine / jail but would this really happen? Anyone have any experience or first hand knowledge of this? Of course the school I spoke to said "NO PROBLEM"

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Yes...they will a actually deport you. Many have been sent away.

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A mate of mine rooted one of the teachers at his school.

He considered it a fling, she didn't.

She called up immigration to report him for working on a Tourist Visa.

They came, took him out of the school, fined him 500 baht, and off you go.

That's the only experience that I can offer on the subject. I would suspect that plenty more posters will have all sorts of hearsay and rumors. Off with them. :)

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A mate of mine rooted one of the teachers at his school.

He considered it a fling, she didn't.

She called up immigration to report him for working on a Tourist Visa.

They came, took him out of the school, fined him 500 baht, and off you go.

That's the only experience that I can offer on the subject. I would suspect that plenty more posters will have all sorts of hearsay and rumors. Off with them. smile.png

Thanks for your honesty mate. You can actually root them? hahaha. Im thinking maybe worth the risk now (only joking!)

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A mate of mine rooted one of the teachers at his school.

He considered it a fling, she didn't.

She called up immigration to report him for working on a Tourist Visa.

They came, took him out of the school, fined him 500 baht, and off you go.

That's the only experience that I can offer on the subject. I would suspect that plenty more posters will have all sorts of hearsay and rumors. Off with them. smile.png

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/794216-17-foreign-english-teachers-arrested-in-chiang-mai-for-working-illegally/

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I mean a school willing to take someone with no experience to teach kids not only English but Science and maths? Classes contain kids of ages 5 through to 12! How could you teach these kids on the same level?

Some 5, or 6 year old kids are better in English than some grade six, or 11 or 12 year old ones. Those schools usually do an entrance test and the groups are mixed with different age groups based on their level of English.

You 'were' looking for a TEFL course, Do a TEFL with real students, not an online one to learn various techniques, some classroom experience/management etc, but it will be very different when you walk into your first real lesson

And believe me, teaching English to Thai kids ( of course subjects as well) is a very difficult job.

If you know somebody who lets you sit in some of his/her lessons would be good for you and who knows after a while you might get an offer from a nearby school?

That on the other hand will 'teach' you a lot more than a course and you'll immediately see how difficult such a job can be.

A lot of schools don't have enough teachers and some labor departments and Immigration in several provinces let foreigners be trainers.

Completely legal, with a work permit and Non-B visa. Nothing in Thailand is impossible.

Such a TEFL course is always mentioned at websites like ajarncom, but that's the deal and the reason why the small adds are free.

.I guess Sponsors made it happen that they have to add this requirement to a job advertisement. Forget the online ones, wasted money.

Or make a few sets of your resume and go from school to school in your preferred area, be well dressed and mannered and you might find a teaching position.

Good luck !! .wai2.gif

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A mate of mine rooted one of the teachers at his school.

He considered it a fling, she didn't.

She called up immigration to report him for working on a Tourist Visa.

They came, took him out of the school, fined him 500 baht, and off you go.

That's the only experience that I can offer on the subject. I would suspect that plenty more posters will have all sorts of hearsay and rumors. Off with them. smile.png

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/794216-17-foreign-english-teachers-arrested-in-chiang-mai-for-working-illegally/

The thing with that case, is that they were working for an illegal company in an office teaching people online in China. Basically operating an illegal call center and employing foreigners. That's a very different situation, immigration does not tolerate stuff like that when they learn about it.

There are a lot more than 17 illegal teachers at government schools in Chiang Mai, there are probably hundreds. Immigration could walk in to almost any school at any time and find illegal teachers. The Chiang Mai call center case very clearly crossed the line of what they will tolerate.

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You're not a teacher in any way or form. You are an opportunist taking advantage of a poor country for your own gain.

To be a genuine teacher takes years at University learning so many different angles, from spotting if a child is being abused at home, to the actual subject you want to teach.

You do not have that skill like95% of the "teachers" in this country.

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You're not a teacher in any way or form. You are an opportunist taking advantage of a poor country for your own gain.

To be a genuine teacher takes years at University learning so many different angles, from spotting if a child is being abused at home, to the actual subject you want to teach.

You do not have that skill like95% of the "teachers" in this country.

Most teachers in Thailand teach EFL and usually to classes of adults.

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Jesus theres some miserable, rude and ignorant human beings on this forum. Did you only read the first three words of my post? I never said it was easy nor did I say I was qualified. I was amazed at their willingness to take just about anyone to teach not only English but science and Maths. If you read my post I excused myself from the position, hardly an opportunist "Franky bear". Jesus! Is that what the kids call you?

The topic of my post were the "realities" here and the reality is that many private schools will take just about anyone as long as there is a white face in the place to justify the expensive tuition fees. In my opinion the problem isn't with the people seeking work as much as the private schools and employment agents lack of regard for the kids education. I don't think even the parents generally give too much of a toss as long as the kid gets a pass. Typical of many things in the land of smiles. Not concerned with the details only the outcome.

By the way, there are several senior Thai teachers within my wife's family who cant work out a simple percentage or fraction without a calculator, are totally unaware of their neighbouring countries and don't know the difference between Australia and Austria. University degree or not Im sure someone with any training or speaking experience and a reasonable western education would be at least a good supplement to the poor education most receive

My Kids called me , "Dad" strangely enough.

I'm far from miserable. Don;t resort to that knickers when stark realities are pointed out. You and these "teachers" are parasites. I don't care what the Thai side of this is. This is about you and your kind preying on the foul way the Thai education system works.

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