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jeab1980    1,779
1 hour ago, NilSS said:

All Thais are required to carry Thai ID card from age 15, I thought this was common knowledge, and you want to debate this with me? Yes, you get the pink ID with a Yellow Tabien Baan, blue ID card if your Thai and on a Blue Tabien Baan, this should be intuitively obvious. I can't remember the time limit for getting it but it is stipulated you are supposed to apply for it within a certain number of days in either case.

 

Regarding driver's license as ID, the problem with DL is you can literally make up an address to get one. There are minimal checks, you can even be living in a hotel. Even with a letter from immigration, you are a visitor. A driver's license is practically worthless as ID in the case of foreigners. A resident Alien card however is beyond the reach of anyone without a Tabien Baan, and with this (your permanent address in Thailand) comes much more gravity. It is on this basis I accept an Alien Card, but reject Driver's License.

Age of 7 now drug testers were in local school on Thursday sent probably 75% of kids scurrying home to get there ID cards. Letter from school on friday all children over 7 as you can now get ID cards at 7 must carry them at all times.

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thedemon    591
7 minutes ago, blackcab said:

@NilSS

 

The only problem with accepting a pink ID card for guests checking into a hotel is that the pink ID card doesn't contain all of the mandatory information required by the online TM30 system.

 

How do you report guests without a TM6 number or without knowing the day until the guest is permitted to stay in Thailand?

 

As the hotel manager the responsibility to record foreign guests in the online TM30 system is ultimately yours, even if you delegate the task to other people.

 

I agree with you but the same situation applies for a foreigner with PR. No TM6 and no Permitted Until stamp - in fact maybe no stamps at all.

 

PR's may be an isolated case but it goes to show that it isn't always even possible for the hotel to comply so the whole system is demeaned.

 

I know this from experience and now only use the pink ID card for checking in because handing over a passport with no TM6 and no entry stamps is more trouble that it's worth.

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blackcab    1,746
3 minutes ago, thedemon said:

 

I agree with you but the same situation applies for a foreigner with PR. No TM6 and no Permitted Until stamp - in fact maybe no stamps at all.

 

PR's may be an isolated case but it goes to show that it isn't always even possible for the hotel to comply so the whole system is demeaned.

 

I know this from experience and now only use the pink ID card for checking in because handing over a passport with no TM6 and no entry stamps is more trouble that it's worth.

 

Are Permanent Residents required to be reported to immigration for the purpose of a TM30?

 

It would seem a strange thing to have to do really and a bit at odds with the concept of Permanent Residence.

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ubonjoe    18,093
3 minutes ago, blackcab said:

Are Permanent Residents required to be reported to immigration for the purpose of a TM30?

No

They don't have to any of the reporting that is required for those on temporary permits to stay.

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thedemon    591
15 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

No

They don't have to any of the reporting that is required for those on temporary permits to stay.

 

Yes but we are talking about the reporting obligations of a hotel, not the individual.

 

If Immigration have made an exception for PR's then they have forgotten to tell anyone. At least I have never seen any mention of it.

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1 hour ago, thedemon said:

Section 4 and section 38 of the Civil Registration Act B.E. 2551 (2008).

 

 

That would appear to be just amendments to this legislation - Civil Registration Act B.E. 2534

 

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“Section 38. The district or local registrar shall issue a household registration for persons without Thai nationality having been permitted to stay temporarily and those having been giving leniency for temporary residence in the Thai Kingdom as a special case in accordance with law on immigration and the declaration of the Cabinet and their children born within the Thai Kingdom. In a case of permission of temporary residence overdue, the registrar shall immediately dispose of such persons.
The Director of Central Registration shall make profile registration for persons without Thai nationality besides those under paragraph one in accordance with the declaration of the Cabinet.
Registrations under paragraph one and two shall lie in the manner prescribed in the regulations under the discretion of the Director of Central Registration.”

 

No mention there of ID cards being legally required for those aliens who are on a yellow book.

 

As for Section 4...........I can't find a copy in English of the full 2534 act, (could you maybe post the link that you used to read it?).

 

:-)

 

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ubonjoe    18,093
49 minutes ago, thedemon said:

Yes but we are talking about the reporting obligations of a hotel, not the individual.

If Immigration have made an exception for PR's then they have forgotten to tell anyone. At least I have never seen any mention of it.

Immigration did not make the exemption. All the reporting is under chapter 4 of the immigration act that is titled "Temporary Stay in the Kingdom".

It is also mentioned here on the immigration website. https://www.immigration.go.th/content/การแจ้งที่พักคนต่างด้าว

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NilSS    28

Regarding TM30 provision, we have to provide that via immigration's online portal for all foreigners. In high season it represents a major administrative overhead. HOWEVER, you do not need a TM30 for your home address if you are on the house book for that address (the house book, blue or yellow, is issued to the house, not you, it's not 'your' book), so as far as immigration are concerned it's not required if you stay at a hotel either, just like Thai people on a Tabien Baan are not required to submit a TM30 when they stay at a hotel. The system is ridiculous, but not that ridiculous, hence the acceptance of an Alien Card (unavailable without a Tabien Baan). Of course, no two immigration offices are the same, YMMV. Call.

 

There are a lot of douches out there, Thai and farang, that think this pink ID puts you on the same level as stateless persons from Burma etc etc and you're not allowed to travel. It's a complete nonsense. It's a different category of card, valid for ten years, and certainly there is no requirement to stay in the same province. Nonsense written everywhere.

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jeab1980    1,779
1 hour ago, NilSS said:

Regarding TM30 provision, we have to provide that via immigration's online portal for all foreigners. In high season it represents a major administrative overhead. HOWEVER, you do not need a TM30 for your home address if you are on the house book for that address (the house book, blue or yellow, is issued to the house, not you, it's not 'your' book), so as far as immigration are concerned it's not required if you stay at a hotel either, just like Thai people on a Tabien Baan are not required to submit a TM30 when they stay at a hotel. The system is ridiculous, but not that ridiculous, hence the acceptance of an Alien Card (unavailable without a Tabien Baan). Of course, no two immigration offices are the same, YMMV. Call.

 

There are a lot of douches out there, Thai and farang, that think this pink ID puts you on the same level as stateless persons from Burma etc etc and you're not allowed to travel. It's a complete nonsense. It's a different category of card, valid for ten years, and certainly there is no requirement to stay in the same province. Nonsense written everywhere.

Interesting what source  did you get this from? With regards to province ect we can only go on what it actually says on the card and therefore in reality so can Thais. It does state only of use in province issued. Yes we all know thats for migrant countryless people however its there. In plack and white.

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Tanoshi    191
8 hours ago, pearciderman said:

 

That would appear to be just amendments to this legislation - Civil Registration Act B.E. 2534

 

"

“Section 38. The district or local registrar shall issue a household registration for persons without Thai nationality having been permitted to stay temporarily and those having been giving leniency for temporary residence in the Thai Kingdom as a special case in accordance with law on immigration and the declaration of the Cabinet and their children born within the Thai Kingdom. In a case of permission of temporary residence overdue, the registrar shall immediately dispose of such persons.
The Director of Central Registration shall make profile registration for persons without Thai nationality besides those under paragraph one in accordance with the declaration of the Cabinet.
Registrations under paragraph one and two shall lie in the manner prescribed in the regulations under the discretion of the Director of Central Registration.”

 

No mention there of ID cards being legally required for those aliens who are on a yellow book.

 

As for Section 4...........I can't find a copy in English of the full 2534 act, (could you maybe post the link that you used to read it?).

 

:-)

 

It is not a legal requirement, just a provision to issue ID cards for persons without Thai nationality.

 

Section 4. Paragraph two of Section 6 of the Civil Registration Act B.E. 2534
shall be repealed and replaced be the following:
“The provision in paragraph one is allowed to use for making a copy or
making a copy and being certified true copy of identification card and other civil
registration document in accordance with this Act for persons without Thai
nationality.”

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