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8 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

Thank you for doing my thinking for me but what you see and think is not necessarily what everybody else sees and thinks, and certainly not what I think.

 

I remember 1973 very well as it was the year that my Mum died and also the year that I was posted from the UK to Germany while in the RAF.

 

It was the year that I could have bought the 2 bedroom bungalow that our family had rented since before the war for £7,000. That was a week after my Mum died and 5 days before I flew to Germany. Had I bought it the place would have stood empty for 11 years at least.

 

1973 was also the year that you were not allowed to take more than £50 in cash out of the UK

It was 1966 Bill when they imposed the £50 travel allowance.

I went out to Germany in June of 1972, That was the year that they had to declare a state of emergency in the UK, twice and unemployment topped one million.

 

Germany in 1972 - 11 Marks 40 to the pound and petrol coupons, never had it so good.

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8 hours ago, sandyf said:

It was 1966 Bill when they imposed the £50 travel allowance.

I went out to Germany in June of 1972, That was the year that they had to declare a state of emergency in the UK, twice and unemployment topped one million.

 

Germany in 1972 - 11 Marks 40 to the pound and petrol coupons, never had it so good.

I recall being there in the mid seventies and at that stage the pound was being exchanged at just over 6 it fell to just over 4 a couple of years later and when Germany went into the Euro it was just over 2. The UK prior to us entering into the EEC was in dire straits power cuts etc and low productivity compared to the EEC countries.  However I cant wait to get back to those pre EEC days I wonder what excuses we will be offered then.

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10 hours ago, sandyf said:

It was 1966 Bill when they imposed the £50 travel allowance.

I went out to Germany in June of 1972, That was the year that they had to declare a state of emergency in the UK, twice and unemployment topped one million.

 

Germany in 1972 - 11 Marks 40 to the pound and petrol coupons, never had it so good.

The best thing that happened in 1972 was John Betjeman being appointed the Poet Laureate, the man who subsequently saved St. Pancras. Lovely statue of him in the station today.

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2 hours ago, pitrevie said:

I recall being there in the mid seventies and at that stage the pound was being exchanged at just over 6 it fell to just over 4 a couple of years later and when Germany went into the Euro it was just over 2. The UK prior to us entering into the EEC was in dire straits power cuts etc and low productivity compared to the EEC countries.  However I cant wait to get back to those pre EEC days I wonder what excuses we will be offered then.

Yes, we were paid at a fixed exchange rate which fortunately lagged behind the market rates. My 11.4 did not last for very long, within a few months it was down to about 8 and by the time I left in early 1975 it had dropped to just under 6.

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Throughout PMQs yesterday TM continually said that the conservatives had put a record amount of money into schools. Is that really an answer, if pupil numbers rise by 20% and funding rises by 10%, it may very well mean that it is a record level of funding but does not reflect reality. The whole performance avoided real issues , just promoted her version of brexit with numerous attacks on the opposition leadership.

 

They say that there is no need for TM to participate in debates as she debates with the opposition leader every week. I don't recall any recent clashes with Corbyn over brexit, the basis of her election campaign

Truth of the matter is that on a TV debate she wouldn't be as able to side step the issues as easily as she does in parliament.

 

Of course it is possible that we are all being misled and that schools are not asking parents for money, NHS is not in crisis and that social care workers are not leaving their jobs, reported as being 900 a day in the last year.

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14 hours ago, sandyf said:

It was 1966 Bill when they imposed the £50 travel allowance.

I went out to Germany in June of 1972, That was the year that they had to declare a state of emergency in the UK, twice and unemployment topped one million.

 

Germany in 1972 - 11 Marks 40 to the pound and petrol coupons, never had it so good.

Which highlights how the ridiculous travel allowance was 50 odd years ago....

 

Employment statistics have been unworthy of consideration for decades, as every (?) government changed the way they were calculated to make them look better....

 

I'd add, that the frequent refrain (and belief by so many young voters) that 'getting rid of the EU open borders policy would make travel in Europe difficult for holidays and business trips' - is depressing in that people can be so gullible.....  Strangely, many of us have had many holidays (even the odd round the world trip covering various European and other foreign countries) without having to worry about visas....

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7 hours ago, pitrevie said:

I recall being there in the mid seventies and at that stage the pound was being exchanged at just over 6 it fell to just over 4 a couple of years later and when Germany went into the Euro it was just over 2. The UK prior to us entering into the EEC was in dire straits power cuts etc and low productivity compared to the EEC countries.  However I cant wait to get back to those pre EEC days I wonder what excuses we will be offered then.

It'll be the fault of "remoaners" for not trying!

 

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25 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I worked as the finance manager in a poor secondary school for more than a decade - and know that costs increased dramatically as a result of ever increasing bureaucracy - requiring ever more admin. staff....

 

When I first arrived there were three office staff and myself as the newly appointed finance person.  By the time I left, there were seven office staff and I had one full time and another part-time assistant!

 

Edit - I could go on about ridiculously expensive local authority 'recommended suppliers' etc. etc. that annoyed the hell out of me as it was such a waste of money and very difficult, even impossible to avoid - but its off topic.

I quite agree I am sure we could all point out waste and inefficiency  in any position. We could have a huge list of government contracts outsourced to the private sector which have been a disaster financially with hundreds of millions being written off and with nothing to show for it.  Often with the same company failing to deliver on the contract then being employed to do the job they have catastrophically failed to deliver. 

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6 hours ago, SheungWan said:

The best thing that happened in 1972 was John Betjeman being appointed the Poet Laureate, the man who subsequently saved St. Pancras. Lovely statue of him in the station today.

Ah! Miss Joan Hunter Dunn! How nostalgic and certainly worth a slight swerve off topic! 🙂

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2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

I worked as the finance manager in a poor secondary school for more than a decade - and know that costs increased dramatically as a result of ever increasing bureaucracy - requiring ever more admin. staff....

 

When I first arrived there were three office staff and myself as the newly appointed finance person.  By the time I left, there were seven office staff and I had one full time and another part-time assistant!

 

Edit - I could go on about ridiculously expensive local authority 'recommended suppliers' etc. etc. that annoyed the hell out of me as it was such a waste of money and very difficult, even impossible to avoid - but its off topic.

My post was about Teresa May but you would rather change direction, surprise surprise.

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The Government has today launched a public consultation on proposals for new legal powers needed for imposing and implementing sanctions once we leave the European Union.

Sanctions are an important foreign policy and national security tool. As a Permanent Member of the UN Security Council, the UK plays a central role in negotiating global sanctions to counter threats to international peace and security. Like all other UN Member States, the UK is obliged under international law to implement UN sanctions.

With limited exceptions, our current legal powers to implement sanctions flow from the European Communities Act 1972. When the UK leaves the European Union, these powers will need to be replaced. It is not possible to achieve this through the Great Repeal Bill, as preserving or freezing sanctions would not provide the powers necessary to update sanctions in response to fast moving events.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/launch-of-public-consultation-on-sanctions-legislation

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18 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Wilbur Ross, President Donald Trump's Commerce secretary, has urged other countries to exploit the "God-given opportunity" to steal business from the U.K. This is one of the people now tasked with negotiating that trade deal.

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12 hours ago, Grouse said:

It's starting....

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39671163

 

read the comments...

Seems a stupid thing to say with a general election coming up!

 

Is he a fanatical remainer, and so prepared to throw his party under the bus in support of the remain cause?

 

Genuine question as I can see no reason why a top politician would talk about increasing taxes shortly before a general election.

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1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

Seems a stupid thing to say with a general election coming up!

 

Is he a fanatical remainer, and so prepared to throw his party under the bus in support of the remain cause?

 

Genuine question as I can see no reason why a top politician would talk about increasing taxes shortly before a general election.

To give himself room for manoeuvre following the NIC debacle. He will need it 😐

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1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

Seems a stupid thing to say with a general election coming up!

 

Is he a fanatical remainer, and so prepared to throw his party under the bus in support of the remain cause?

 

Genuine question as I can see no reason why a top politician would talk about increasing taxes shortly before a general election.

He'll be the first casualty in her new cabinet, assuming they win and he keeps his seat.

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3 hours ago, pitrevie said:

Wilbur Ross, President Donald Trump's Commerce secretary, has urged other countries to exploit the "God-given opportunity" to steal business from the U.K. This is one of the people now tasked with negotiating that trade deal.

 

I recall the Brexiteer claims made on here after the referendum:

 

1) We can do all these amazing trade deals with the US, China, India, etc ... seems that the US have prioritised EU trade .... makes sense as it is a 500m population market. 

 

2) They need us more than we need them ... the Germans would never lose those car sales ... looks like the EU  and Germans have different ideas.

 

3) We can take control of our immigration ... except when it interferes with business interests or trade talks ... when we are actually not that fussed.

 

4) We can spend an extra £350m per week on public services ... well, it was never £350m was it ... and all savings and more will be channeled into paying a bill to the EU, which will write that extra money off for half a decade.

 

5) Best get out of the EU before it collapses ... except the biggest transfer of funds from the US markets to EU markets in years is taking place and EU growth is picking up ... the reality is that trade blocs go through ups and downs, but ultimately they recover.

 

Taking back control .... or just taking leave of our senses?

 

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1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

Seems a stupid thing to say with a general election coming up!

 

Is he a fanatical remainer, and so prepared to throw his party under the bus in support of the remain cause?

 

Genuine question as I can see no reason why a top politician would talk about increasing taxes shortly before a general election.

 

21 minutes ago, Grouse said:

To give himself room for manoeuvre following the NIC debacle. He will need it 😐

 

21 minutes ago, evadgib said:

He'll be the first casualty in her new cabinet, assuming they win and he keeps his seat.

Can't see how talking about increasing taxes 'gives him room' following the NIC debacle?  It just makes him even more of a liability to the Tory campaign.

 

Seems more likely that evagib is right - he knows he is on the way out of the cabinet and, (my interpretation, not evadgib's) is prepared to say anything to promote support for the remain campaign?

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4 hours ago, pitrevie said:

Wilbur Ross, President Donald Trump's Commerce secretary, has urged other countries to exploit the "God-given opportunity" to steal business from the U.K. This is one of the people now tasked with negotiating that trade deal.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-britain-back-queue-trade-deal-eu-angela-merkel-brexit-a7696376.html

 

confirmed here

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18 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

 

Can't see how talking about increasing taxes 'gives him room' following the NIC debacle?  It just makes him even more of a liability to the Tory campaign.

 

Seems more likely that evagib is right - he knows he is on the way out of the cabinet and, (my interpretation, not evadgib's) is prepared to say anything to promote support for the remain campaign?

 

I don't think so. Both Hammond and May want to have as much flexibility as possible to have maximum flexibility to make fiscal adjustments and don't want to be tied down by a manifesto promise that relates to a different era. The Brexit negotiations will be tough going and will necessitate policies like the abandoned NIC hike. They figure that they can get away with this as they have an unassailable lead in the polls and are likely to win the election with a strengthened majority. 

 

Hammond is not a rabid remainer but he is pragmatic and not a zealot like Fox, Davis, Duncan-Smith ... a hard Brexit will hit companies and the economy, and he'll be blamed if anything goes wrong. So he needs as much flexibility in policy as possible.

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