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May ready for tough talks over Brexit

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10 minutes ago, vogie said:

Maybe have a word with the Mods, see if you can have a discussion group only catering for highly intelligent people like yourself, and let the rest of the plebs battle it out between ourselves?

 

Good attempt at irony, but that's not a bad idea! A thread that can be read by all, but with contributions by invitation only. I'm serious; I'm bored with poorly informed shallow debate. I'm not mentioning any names, but you're no fool, you know what I am referring to. I would also like conversations restored and not truncated to just 2 comments 🙂

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29 minutes ago, petermik said:

Grouse

Not all the contributors to TVF are as intellectually articulate as yourself so please make allowances :thumbsup:

 

That's a fair comment which I accept without reservation. 🙂

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5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Best of luck negotiating something decent after such a stupid, self-destructive mistake.

  

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/10/18/brexit-death-of-british-business/

I thought it was a terrific article but there's one thing that might be an internal contradiction.  It talks about one important reason that the UK is attractive to the financial industry is that the wages are lower than on the continent. Does that also apply to automobile assembly. Because the decline of the pound might well more than compensate for whatever tariffs the UK's exports are subject to.

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The British anglo-saxon culture is lost after the battle of Hastings. The Normans (Europeans) won.

The Brexiteers with their retrograded mind want a new battle of Hastings. They will lose a second time.

 

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ID: 31   Posted (edited)

42 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Your arrogance and insults just keep coming through all the time.

 

You seem to think that you are superior to everybody else on this forum.

 

If you don't like the way that a thread is running on a public forum them you have the option of reporting the post to the moderators. If the moderators consider that you are correct then they, and only they, can give the poster a holiday or even ban the poster completely.

 

On the previous thread which was closed you were one of the posters who insulted everybody that didn't agree with you.

 

YOU are not the final arbiter of what is written in this or any other thread. If you disagree with a post then explain why you disagree.

 

You are biased against Brexit and I am biased for Brexit.

 

A referendum was held and the people who got the most votes were those who wished and still wish to leave.

 

The news that I read from the UK government is that the PM is staying on that line. That the UK government WILL negotiate a Brexit on the best possible terms that they can get. That there will be NO second referendum and no change of course.

 

How that will be done I leave up to the government.

 

I have no intention of discussing this further. 

 

You have clearly not not considered either of the pieces posted on here.

 

I have no interest in insulting you; frankly It's unnecessary.

 

As for arrogance, absolutely!🙂

 

You have not even noticed the change in May's stance and the effect of that,  have you?

 

So, as I say, provide some useful, interesting input or use a different thread. OK?

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34 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Your arrogance and insults just keep coming through all the time.

 

You seem to think that you are superior to everybody else on this forum.

 

If you don't like the way that a thread is running on a public forum them you have the option of reporting the post to the moderators. If the moderators consider that you are correct then they, and only they, can give the poster a holiday or even ban the poster completely.

 

On the previous thread which was closed you were one of the posters who insulted everybody that didn't agree with you.

 

YOU are not the final arbiter of what is written in this or any other thread. If you disagree with a post then explain why you disagree.

 

You are biased against Brexit and I am biased for Brexit.

 

A referendum was held and the people who got the most votes were those who wished and still wish to leave.

 

The news that I read from the UK government is that the PM is staying on that line. That the UK government WILL negotiate a Brexit on the best possible terms that they can get. That there will be NO second referendum and no change of course.

 

How that will be done I leave up to the government.

 

The heck with arrogance and insults Bill, there's posters on this subject who aren't equipped to decide what to eat for breakfast, let alone argue the future of the UK! Don't confuse offensive and insulting with the ability to call a spade a spade.

 

Right, I'm off to the UK and the US for a few weeks hence I'm out of all of this. Queue the derogatory comments.....now!

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5 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

True, but we should be negotiating wisely for the benefit of all. Looks to me that May has moved from the primacy of migration to the primacy of the economy. That's a major breakthrough IMHO. Her earlier arrogant stance just won her a cold shoulder.

 

May needs to get it into her thick head that there are four fundamental EU policy areas which can't be negotiated: http://www.europeanpolicy.org/en/european-policies/single-market.html

 

The EU isn't going to rewrite any of these just because Britain wants to limit immigration from EU member states. If she doesn't want to accept any of them then it's going to mean a hard brexit. She might be able to persuade some businesses to remain in the UK by offering to subsidise them to make up for any shortfall incurred due to exchange rate fluctuations but taxes will probably have to rise to pay for it all.

 

Coupled with rising inflation due to the slide in Sterling the BoE may raise the base rate which will mean that mortgages will have to go up and base lending rates will rise causing some small businesses to cut down on staff or go under. Similarly, a rise in the value of the Pound makes exports more expensive; something Britain doesn't need while it sorts out the mess it has created for itself. 

 

The sensible thing for May to do is to swallow her pride and accept that leaving the EU will have serious consequences for the economy and to perform a drastic U-turn before it's too late. Considering that the vote to leave the EU was almost a 50/50 split, half of the voters will be very angry, but the other half will doubtless thank her for it. Let's hope she has the sense to see that.

 

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2 minutes ago, Xircal said:

 

May needs to get it into her thick head that there are four fundamental EU policy areas which can't be negotiated: http://www.europeanpolicy.org/en/european-policies/single-market.html

 

The EU isn't going to rewrite any of these just because Britain wants to limit immigration from EU member states. If she doesn't want to accept any of them then it's going to mean a hard brexit. She might be able to persuade some businesses to remain in the UK by offering to subsidise them to make up for any shortfall incurred due to exchange rate fluctuations but taxes will probably have to rise to pay for it all.

 

Coupled with rising inflation due to the slide in Sterling the BoE may raise the base rate which will mean that mortgages will have to go up and base lending rates will rise causing some small businesses to cut down on staff or go under. Similarly, a rise in the value of the Pound makes exports more expensive; something Britain doesn't need while it sorts out the mess it has created for itself. 

 

The sensible thing for May to do is to swallow her pride and accept that leaving the EU will have serious consequences for the economy and to perform a drastic U-turn before it's too late. Considering that the vote to leave the EU was almost a 50/50 split, half of the voters will be very angry, but the other half will doubtless thank her for it. Let's hope she has the sense to see that.

 

 

Powerfully put!

 

I wonder whether there is a possibility of adjusting the free movement of workers regulation to tamp down the growing unease about this across much of the EU now?

 

I agree with your economic case.

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22 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

Powerfully put!

 

I wonder whether there is a possibility of adjusting the free movement of workers regulation to tamp down the growing unease about this across much of the EU now?

 

I agree with your economic case.

The free movement of workers is a directive , not a regulation. As a directive it is up to the members state how they achieve the legal act.

The issue around adjusting would require the TFEU amending

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6 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

We just had one thread shut down because it was hijacked by stupidity. This thread will have sensible discussion of the actual issues. If you can't contribute sensibly, please leave us alone. Thank you.

 

It was shut down because it was hijacked by uncivil behaviour.

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11 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

The free movement of workers is a directive , not a regulation. As a directive it is up to the members state how they achieve the legal act.

The issue around adjusting would require the TFEU amending

 

I stand corrected, thanks!

 

My point is that all organisations have to change over time to avoid brittle fracture. It seems to me that uncontrolled migration WITHIN the EU, might need to be looked at for the general good?

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11 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

It was shut down because it was hijacked by uncivil behaviour.

 

Yes, I take the point 🙂

 

Let's all do better this time!

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1 hour ago, Grouse said:

 

I have no intention of discussing this further. 

 

You have clearly not not considered either of the pieces posted on here.

 

I have no interest in insulting you; frankly It's unnecessary.

 

As for arrogance, absolutely!🙂

 

You have not even noticed the change in May's stance and the effect of that,  have you?

 

So, as I say, provide some useful, interesting input or use a different thread. OK?

 

The link provided by Jingthing (love his food and restaurant threads by the way) is old ground, already discussed on the last thread.

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14 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

The link provided by Jingthing (love his food and restaurant threads by the way) is old ground, already discussed on the last thread.

 

From 3 days ago.

 

Listen Han, you're an intelligent bloke. I want to debate the issues. Stop sniping. Please? 🙂

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5 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

I'm not sniping. I pointed out that we've already discussed the NYR article.

 

I had not seen it

 

Was it on the closed thread?

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

I had not seen it

 

Was it on the closed thread?

 

 

Actually it's #5 on this thread. 

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2 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Actually it's #5 on this thread. 

 

Thats what I am referring to!

 

Han wants to beat me up for not seeing the piece on the closed thread

 

Any idea what number?

 

I'm trying to be polite!

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I don't know whether the topic of this thread is still the same as the title 'May ready for tough talks over Brexit' but the reports seem grim from what I've been reading in the papers. The EU negotiator asked that discussions be in French and then May was kept waiting until 1am to give her 'Brexit' speech that lasted all of 5 minutes. This type of treatment was always to be expected when the UK tried to negotiate with a bloc 9-10 times its size. 
From the UK's perspective, it must be terrifying to see how one small area of Belgium is blocking the Canada-EU trade deal that's been dragging on for 7 years, prompting Canada to walk out and brand the EU impossible. A sign of things to come for the UK I think. 

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2 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

Powerfully put!

 

I wonder whether there is a possibility of adjusting the free movement of workers regulation to tamp down the growing unease about this across much of the EU now?

 

I agree with your economic case.

 

There's no growing unease about free movement of workers across the rest of the EU as far as I'm aware. Why would you think that there was?

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