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Grouse    4,094
42 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Your arrogance and insults just keep coming through all the time.

 

You seem to think that you are superior to everybody else on this forum.

 

If you don't like the way that a thread is running on a public forum them you have the option of reporting the post to the moderators. If the moderators consider that you are correct then they, and only they, can give the poster a holiday or even ban the poster completely.

 

On the previous thread which was closed you were one of the posters who insulted everybody that didn't agree with you.

 

YOU are not the final arbiter of what is written in this or any other thread. If you disagree with a post then explain why you disagree.

 

You are biased against Brexit and I am biased for Brexit.

 

A referendum was held and the people who got the most votes were those who wished and still wish to leave.

 

The news that I read from the UK government is that the PM is staying on that line. That the UK government WILL negotiate a Brexit on the best possible terms that they can get. That there will be NO second referendum and no change of course.

 

How that will be done I leave up to the government.

 

I have no intention of discussing this further. 

 

You have clearly not not considered either of the pieces posted on here.

 

I have no interest in insulting you; frankly It's unnecessary.

 

As for arrogance, absolutely!🙂

 

You have not even noticed the change in May's stance and the effect of that,  have you?

 

So, as I say, provide some useful, interesting input or use a different thread. OK?

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chiang mai    12,592
34 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Your arrogance and insults just keep coming through all the time.

 

You seem to think that you are superior to everybody else on this forum.

 

If you don't like the way that a thread is running on a public forum them you have the option of reporting the post to the moderators. If the moderators consider that you are correct then they, and only they, can give the poster a holiday or even ban the poster completely.

 

On the previous thread which was closed you were one of the posters who insulted everybody that didn't agree with you.

 

YOU are not the final arbiter of what is written in this or any other thread. If you disagree with a post then explain why you disagree.

 

You are biased against Brexit and I am biased for Brexit.

 

A referendum was held and the people who got the most votes were those who wished and still wish to leave.

 

The news that I read from the UK government is that the PM is staying on that line. That the UK government WILL negotiate a Brexit on the best possible terms that they can get. That there will be NO second referendum and no change of course.

 

How that will be done I leave up to the government.

 

The heck with arrogance and insults Bill, there's posters on this subject who aren't equipped to decide what to eat for breakfast, let alone argue the future of the UK! Don't confuse offensive and insulting with the ability to call a spade a spade.

 

Right, I'm off to the UK and the US for a few weeks hence I'm out of all of this. Queue the derogatory comments.....now!

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Grouse    4,094
2 minutes ago, Xircal said:

 

May needs to get it into her thick head that there are four fundamental EU policy areas which can't be negotiated: http://www.europeanpolicy.org/en/european-policies/single-market.html

 

The EU isn't going to rewrite any of these just because Britain wants to limit immigration from EU member states. If she doesn't want to accept any of them then it's going to mean a hard brexit. She might be able to persuade some businesses to remain in the UK by offering to subsidise them to make up for any shortfall incurred due to exchange rate fluctuations but taxes will probably have to rise to pay for it all.

 

Coupled with rising inflation due to the slide in Sterling the BoE may raise the base rate which will mean that mortgages will have to go up and base lending rates will rise causing some small businesses to cut down on staff or go under. Similarly, a rise in the value of the Pound makes exports more expensive; something Britain doesn't need while it sorts out the mess it has created for itself. 

 

The sensible thing for May to do is to swallow her pride and accept that leaving the EU will have serious consequences for the economy and to perform a drastic U-turn before it's too late. Considering that the vote to leave the EU was almost a 50/50 split, half of the voters will be very angry, but the other half will doubtless thank her for it. Let's hope she has the sense to see that.

 

 

Powerfully put!

 

I wonder whether there is a possibility of adjusting the free movement of workers regulation to tamp down the growing unease about this across much of the EU now?

 

I agree with your economic case.

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rockingrobin    1,179
22 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

Powerfully put!

 

I wonder whether there is a possibility of adjusting the free movement of workers regulation to tamp down the growing unease about this across much of the EU now?

 

I agree with your economic case.

The free movement of workers is a directive , not a regulation. As a directive it is up to the members state how they achieve the legal act.

The issue around adjusting would require the TFEU amending

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Khun Han    4,349
6 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

We just had one thread shut down because it was hijacked by stupidity. This thread will have sensible discussion of the actual issues. If you can't contribute sensibly, please leave us alone. Thank you.

 

It was shut down because it was hijacked by uncivil behaviour.

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Grouse    4,094
11 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

The free movement of workers is a directive , not a regulation. As a directive it is up to the members state how they achieve the legal act.

The issue around adjusting would require the TFEU amending

 

I stand corrected, thanks!

 

My point is that all organisations have to change over time to avoid brittle fracture. It seems to me that uncontrolled migration WITHIN the EU, might need to be looked at for the general good?

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Grouse    4,094
11 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

It was shut down because it was hijacked by uncivil behaviour.

 

Yes, I take the point 🙂

 

Let's all do better this time!

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Khun Han    4,349
1 hour ago, Grouse said:

 

I have no intention of discussing this further. 

 

You have clearly not not considered either of the pieces posted on here.

 

I have no interest in insulting you; frankly It's unnecessary.

 

As for arrogance, absolutely!🙂

 

You have not even noticed the change in May's stance and the effect of that,  have you?

 

So, as I say, provide some useful, interesting input or use a different thread. OK?

 

The link provided by Jingthing (love his food and restaurant threads by the way) is old ground, already discussed on the last thread.

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Grouse    4,094
14 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

The link provided by Jingthing (love his food and restaurant threads by the way) is old ground, already discussed on the last thread.

 

From 3 days ago.

 

Listen Han, you're an intelligent bloke. I want to debate the issues. Stop sniping. Please? 🙂

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Grouse    4,094
5 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

I'm not sniping. I pointed out that we've already discussed the NYR article.

 

I had not seen it

 

Was it on the closed thread?

 

 

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