JimmyJ

Similar city as alternative to Chang Mai to avoid air problems?

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Let me add the good parts of CM are its safe, unless you are on the road, and once you get to meet the locals in your neighborhood and you are polite they treat you quite well. (unless you want a refund)

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Planning to visit Thailand for the 1st time

 

I strongly advise that you visit as long as possible without cutting any ties with home. IMO you will either love it or get out as soon as possible.

 

Don't stay in a tourist hotel, try to get a condo or a house. The tourist experience is vastly different to living here. Of course you'd need to stay in an hotel while looking for said condo or house.

You should also stay in Pattaya and Hua Hin.

Some people would say Bangkok as well, but I think Bkk would drive most people crazy.

If I had my choice, I'd also stay on Jomptien Beach. Slightly less crazy than Pattaya, but near enough to pop over whenever getting the urge for insane traffic and too many people. Way more expats in Pattaya IMO. Certainly more to do.

If I was going to live in Chiang Mai, I'd live a bit out of town, but you'd need your own transport to do that.

 

Good luck.

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ID: 28   Posted (edited)

13 hours ago, elephant45 said:

I don't know why Chiang Mai is rated as sucha good place to retire other than being cheap, and the hills around if you want to get out there.  Pollution is now pretty much 365 days a year same as Los Angeles, and much worse from Feb till it starts raining in June.  Noisy as hell, extremely hot most of the time, no sidewalks, terrifying to ride a bicycle or motorcycle, traffic jams from hell, no mass transportation.DELETED

 

I just don't see why its attractive unless you are here for sex ............... all the time.

LOL. having been up on Loy Kroh a few nights now I have given up any idea of that sort of thing. Forum rules mean I can't go into details, but if you are serious about that sort of thing go to Pattaya.

Getting drunk isn't a problem anywhere in Thailand.

It's not even that cheap. Restaurant meals are more expensive than Pattaya, IMO, and accomodation is not more expensive in Pattaya ( and probably cheaper if looking around ).

For cheap one has to go to a non tourist town like Lamphun.

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10 hours ago, Amplish said:

Lived in Chiang Mai for around 15 years, the smog started appearing 10-12 years ago, before that not that much of a problem.  The level of smog also depends where you stay, outside of the city it never gets that bad (I live 40 km North of the city),

yes agreed  15 yrs  ago , the smog was just a flash in the pan, but saying ,  by  staying outside the city ,40 k,s north, never gets bad, you have to be joking

E/S resides in Beverly Hills , Maerim, 28 k,s  north,for 11 yrs plus and each burning year since then, it  is a fluffing nightmare,perhaps a shade better then the city limits, primarly reason we have,nt got the belching exhaust fumes

that are running out of all THE   heaps of  crap bombs on the road etc etc,, the   cold hard fact is, the smog virtually covers the whole north of  Thailand,, like it or lump it

its a Cream good evening to all

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ID: 31   Posted (edited)

This is a great thread. Thanks for all the suggestions, and please keep them coming if anyone has other suggestions or comments or wants to second some of the places mentioned.

 

Mentioning neighboring countries is also very helpful, as I was planning on checking those also, at least very briefly, so your suggestions of which cities is great.

 

Here's something I posted in "The Multi-Entry Visa" thread recently:

 

"My situation:

 

USA citizen living in the USA. Will be making my first trip to Thailand, exploring it with a view towards moving there permanently.

 

Planning about 3 months in Thailand, also quick visits to neighboring countries just in case something grabs me in one as an alternative.

 

Then returning to USA, closing out there, and moving to Thailand on a 1 year retirement visa."

 

Thought I may rent a car during the trip from time to time.

Now, with the wealth of riches in this thread giving me so many places I'd like to see, considering depending on price spending most of the trip with a rental.

 

 

 

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Get yourself down to AAA and get an international drivers license before you get here. 

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18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

I just don't see why its attractive unless you are here for sex ............... all the time.

LOL. having been up on Loy Kroh a few nights now I have given up any idea of that sort of thing. Forum rules mean I can't go into details, but if you are serious about that sort of thing go to Pattaya.

Getting drunk isn't a problem anywhere in Thailand.

It's not even that cheap. Restaurant meals are more expensive than Pattaya, IMO, and accomodation is not more expensive in Pattaya ( and probably cheaper if looking around ).

For cheap one has to go to a non tourist town like Lamphun.

The more western and/or tourist oriented the restaurant, the more expensive the food is. Food is reasonable in most Thai restaurants, but you may not get an English menu.

 

A few nights on Loi Kroh?  I assume you just couldn't believe how bad it was on the first night, or the second night, etc. 

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On 11/10/2016 at 1:20 AM, sawadee1947 said:

any city in developed countries

 

Not Montreal. Not Ottawa. Not Toronto. Which - if I am not mistaken - are cities in developed countries.

 

I am just back from Kathmandu with lungs bruised from extreme pollution there. Now in Canada (before going back to BKK), what a difference.

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I have a 97 year old friend resident in CM since 1960.

He has told me the smog was never as bad as now. 

However he could not remember when matters got so bad, about 20 years ago he thought. 

I mailed Pim editor of CM City Life knowing she was born and bred here but she could not confirm for she did her education in Europe and missed the time the smog stared.

Did CM uni not do a study and suggest it was when Farmers where paid more to grow Corn and this produced massive amounts of waste to be burned off ?

 

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Yes, i've read that too.  To fuel the cars with ethanol, corn (maize) starch is converted  to alcohol.  So to get enough corn, farmers abandoned the traditional rice and went for corn, with subsidies galore.

The beneficiaries?  The big ethanol factories owned by the HI_SO folks, the car dealers, also owned by the HI_SO folks, various govt agencies (holding hands with the HI_SO folks), the farm implements dealers, etc.  The losers are the farmers who ruin the soil, the public who must breath in the dirty air when the burning starts and the everyday Thai who must suffer massive car jams due to uncontrolled vehicularization of the cities and towns.

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We have no idea what the micro particulate matter pollution here does to our bodies in CM , our minds and souls, and add in the noise.

The new fashion, loud motorcycle pipes with teenagers racing around 24/7 in most of this town. I just don't understand why all the these dumb websites with tonnes of ads on them rate this place so high as a reasonable retirement place. Its a joke, "Beautiful Beaches, Wonderful People etc etc." yes I have many Thai acquaintances but they will never be my friend, as it seems to be illegal for some reason. This was told to me way back when while working for the Thai Military. And the heat? Personally I am done with it, and moving for at least 8 months a year out of here.

Also please don't comment with things like good riddance , move if you don't like it etc, or cheap replies. If you want to comment in a nasty way PM me and we will meet in person and have a coffee or a beer and discuss it as kind human beings would do. 

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7 minutes ago, elephant45 said:

We have no idea what the micro particulate matter pollution here does to our bodies in CM , our minds and souls, and add in the noise.

The new fashion, loud motorcycle pipes with teenagers racing around 24/7 in most of this town. I just don't understand why all the these dumb websites with tonnes of ads on them rate this place so high as a reasonable retirement place. Its a joke, "Beautiful Beaches, Wonderful People etc etc." yes I have many Thai acquaintances but they will never be my friend, as it seems to be illegal for some reason. This was told to me way back when while working for the Thai Military. And the heat? Personally I am done with it, and moving for at least 8 months a year out of here.

Also please don't comment with things like good riddance , move if you don't like it etc, or cheap replies. If you want to comment in a nasty way PM me and we will meet in person and have a coffee or a beer and discuss it as kind human beings would do. 

 

Are you paying for the beer ? :smile:

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15 hours ago, elephant45 said:

We have no idea what the micro particulate matter pollution here does to our bodies in CM , our minds and souls, and add in the noise.

 

 

 

A very good point, i have not noticed any ill effects from the pollution but in my mind if you can see it and smell it, i reckon it cannot be doing our bodies any good. 

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On 11 November 2016 at 11:06 PM, KhonKaenKowboy said:

Udon thani..

I think it would help to be able to speak some Thai in Issan

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22 hours ago, jobin said:

Yes, i've read that too.  To fuel the cars with ethanol, corn (maize) starch is converted  to alcohol.  So to get enough corn, farmers abandoned the traditional rice and went for corn, with subsidies galore.

The beneficiaries?  The big ethanol factories owned by the HI_SO folks, the car dealers, also owned by the HI_SO folks, various govt agencies (holding hands with the HI_SO folks), the farm implements dealers, etc.  The losers are the farmers who ruin the soil, the public who must breath in the dirty air when the burning starts and the everyday Thai who must suffer massive car jams due to uncontrolled vehicularization of the cities and towns.

Sorry to question your manifesto, but how is it Nebraska produces 6 times more corn than LOS without the air quality issues?

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ID: 46   Posted (edited)

I remember many visits to Dalat and other places in the Vietnamese central highlands where I was impressed with the soil, geography and lower heat/humidity of the general area..., as compared to the coastal plane of VN. I think there can also be smoky times in the central highlands too, but coastal breezes can and do reach this area to more easily blow away any settled smoke.
Personally, in my not so humble opine..., my home area - the wine region's of the Margaret River catchment, in south Western Australia is a very healthy place to live...., although it may not be to healthy on your hip pocket nerve if you have to start from scratch.
Good fortune to you sir  :wai:

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I think it would help to be able to speak some Thai in Issan


Udon isn't all red dirt roads and toothless farmers...

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I live here.
most of the year is fine.
i avoid March April and some of May though....I just take a holiday elsewhere.
everyone is different of course but I couldn't compare Phuket or Jomtien with Chiang Mai myself.
Chiang Mai is a Thai city that welcomes tourists...the other places are tourist places...the feeling there is overwhelmingly tourist.
 

Pattaya does have large areas that are mostly local but essentially you're correct.

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Traffic is much more of a problem than air pollution in CM...

 

just avoid march and april - May is extremely hot but air pollution lessened...feb is starting to show signs of air pollution which is unfortunate...

 

best time for CM - June thru January...find another place to reside for feb - may until June rains...

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