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First ferry from Pattaya safely arrives in Hua Hin

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So is this intended to be a daily service, or will it be dependent on weather conditions and the availability of a frigate and patrol boat - to ensure no overloading?

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2 hr 30 mins ? Wasnt it supposed to be  an amazing 1 hr.40 min journey  ? 

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11 hours ago, oldsailor35 said:

Then why can one buy a beer on Naton-Donsak Seatrans ferries.

 

Maybe Seatran are ignoring the rules, possibly they are the reason why the marine department inspected all the Samui ferries early last year.

 

Lomprayah and Raja don't sell beer on board and Raja doesn't sell beer at their restaurants in Lipa Noi and Donsak because they are on the same property as the pier.  Unless I missed it Lomprayah don't sell beer at Maenam.  In Thongsala and Nathan you can get a beer from 7eleven because they are across the road from the pier.

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3 hours ago, balo said:

2 hr 30 mins ? Wasnt it supposed to be  an amazing 1 hr.40 min journey  ? 

The ferry had to allow the accompanying naval vessels to keep up with it. Besides, one does not want to go full steam ahead on the first trip in unfamiliar waters.

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   Just a personal thought. One small ferry for passengers (like the Marmaris/Rhodos passenger ferry) and one big vehicle/passenger ferry (like either Butterworth/ Penang ferry or English/Bristol Channel ferry). Because of overheads/maintenance/insurance etc etc will a high safe standard be maintained???

     I think a ferry is great but have a minor reservation which I shouldn't have but do have. After all this is Asia and anyone out there that has traveled on the Rocket Boat from Dhaka to Khulna in Bangla Desh will understand where I coming from. That was an experience in its own right.

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ID: 81   Posted (edited)

22 hours ago, impulse said:

 

All good points, but a hundred years of research isn't as good as running it up the flagpole and seeing how many people salute.  

 

I just hope they have the staying power to tweak the details to see what appeals to different people.  They may make money on concessions at either end and on the boat itself, they may want to run a different schedule on weekends, they may want to offer monthly passes at a reduced rate to absorb some of the empty seats, and on and on.

 

They may be able to make a go of it carrying cargo in addition to passengers.

 

But in the end, you have to start the service before you can tweak it.

If you don't do your research, it doesn't say much for the companys business plan  and their professionalism

A hundred years of research prevents the launch if an organisation that loses money for its investors .that cuts corners with safety to save money and endangers the lives if its passengers.

For a service to be useful on that route (and I'm not suggesting it is even feasible ) it needs to be affordable for those who could benefit from the shortcut offered and it should carry vehicles and freight....otherwise it is just an expensive joyride for tourists...and inevitably of limited possibility

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ID: 82   Posted (edited)

36 minutes ago, Alan Deer said:

If you don't do your research, it doesn't say much for the companys business plan  and their professionalism

A hundred years of research prevents the launch if an organisation that loses money for its investors .that cuts corners with safety to save money and endangers the lives if its passengers.

For a service to be useful on that route (and I'm not suggesting it is even feasible ) it needs to be affordable for those who could benefit from the shortcut offered and it should carry vehicles and freight....otherwise it is just an expensive joyride for tourists...and inevitably of limited possibility

 

You're assuming they didn't do the research, or do it sufficiently.  I contend they did, but now they need real world data to test their theoretical results.

 

First day out, they proved that people will actually happily get on the boat for the ride.  That's good info.  Now they need to find out if they'll actually pay to take that ride.  Then they'll figure out how much they'll pay.  Seems like a logical process.

 

They started out with a 2nd hand boat and a few thousand liters of diesel.  They still have a 2nd hand boat, with a few hundred liters less diesel.  I suspect the boat's current owner probably did a free loan in hopes they'll buy it, and order more of them.  And I suspect they'll try out carrying vehicles when they have a vehicle carrying vessel available to them at a cost that makes sense.

 

Their investment in this marketing trial has cost them peanuts so far.   And they'll soon have more reliable market data than a hundred years of market surveys.

 

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1 hour ago, tx22cb said:

The ferry had to allow the accompanying naval vessels to keep up with it. Besides, one does not want to go full steam ahead on the first trip in unfamiliar waters.

"Unfamiliar waters"??? I sincerely hope not! But one must be concerned  about how they have  calculated  journey times and then decided to publish only the most optimistic times.. It is suggestive of an attitude.....

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ID: 84   Posted (edited)

posted in error

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38 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You're assuming they didn't do the research, or do it sufficiently.  I contend they did, but now they need real world data to test their theoretical results.

 

First day out, they proved that people will actually happily get on the boat for the ride.  That's good info.  Now they need to find out if they'll actually pay to take that ride.  Then they'll figure out how much they'll pay.  Seems like a logical process.

 

They started out with a 2nd hand boat and a few thousand liters of diesel.  They still have a 2nd hand boat, with a few hundred liters less diesel.  I suspect the boat's current owner probably did a free loan in hopes they'll buy it, and order more of them.  And I suspect they'll try out carrying vehicles when they have a vehicle carrying vessel available to them at a cost that makes sense.

 

Their investment in this marketing trial has cost them peanuts so far.   And they'll soon have more reliable market data than a hundred years of market surveys.

 

 

 

Impulse -

 

Well you got my first point - I most certainly do think that.

 

“they started with a second-hand boat and a few thousand litres of diesel” OMG! - talk about shoestring or what - I would immediately question issues of safety and viability.

 

 

There is little evidence to support any research having been done but quite a lot to suggest a suck-it-and-see attitude.

 

Firstly several similar attempts at this service have ended in failure already....yet they haven’t said how they are going to do it better.

 

It is also pretty clear they didn’t have a boat to begin with and now they aren’t even sure how many passengers will take up the service..

 

They are so in the dark about passenger volume that they are talking about another boat “if the service takes off” - how vague is that??

 

They also seem to have priced it too high for volume - I think they’ve done the pricing purely on costs without regard for take up.

 

The fact that the pier at one end of the journey was unfit escaped them - that does not bode well for advanced business planning

 

I also outlined above my concerns for the actual time taken for the trip- they show no indication that they are aware of the vagaries of the sea and weather on journey times.

I haven’t seen a lot of information about safety on their boat either - apart from regular checks - what are they checking - if up to date safety systems aren’t there in the first place, what is there to check?

 

They have not released the figures for take up of the free trips or the people’s thoughts on paying for the trips....was there eve  a questionnaire on the trip?

And it will take a while for the paying trips to came through as viable or not...OR WILL IT??? - the last attempts found out very quickly that the services weren’t viable and the boats were ‘taken out of service” very quickly indeed. One assumes that this time at least they have some backing to subsidise the service to for a while to let it establish itself.

 

Graft nepotism and corruption have meant that traditionally marketing wasn’t necessary in Thai business and unfortunately that legacy is still with us to quite a large degree - I think this service may well be yet another example of an unplanned business venture that happens largely because the main men involved are not really putting anything personally at risk.

 

My second point is connected to the first point and that I would doubt that this service is actually meeting any market needs - it’s just a jolly - and take up will be minimal. A service offering vehicle/freight options might have some cost effective appeal but apart from tourists who don’t get seasick with money to burn, I can’t see the demographic myself.

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On 1/6/2017 at 8:44 AM, SOUTHERNSTAR said:

The only problem is you maybe delayed for a week. Is reliability not as important as comfort?

Do you fly? Ever had a delayed or cancelled flight? Sure, you have ... many times. But I bet you still continue to fly.

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On 1/6/2017 at 8:54 AM, rhythmworx said:

Does it have a bar onboard?

 

If not I would rather drive

Do you have a bar in your car?

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4 hours ago, HerbalEd said:

Do you fly? Ever had a delayed or cancelled flight? Sure, you have ... many times. But I bet you still continue to fly.

 

 

pointless, as flights are rarely delayed for a week. Not even in Thailand

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22 hours ago, balo said:

2 hr 30 mins ? Wasnt it supposed to be  an amazing 1 hr.40 min journey  ? 

You did not apply your mind before asking this question?

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On 1/6/2017 at 9:48 AM, sydneyjed said:

What happens if the ferry cancels a trip and you have already paid...do you get your money back straight away?The last ferry operators were plagued with bad sea conditions and cancellations and that ultimately was their demise and the end of that.I for one hopes that this new venture works but have my doubts for the long term!

In case of cancelation and you being in hurry - you may rent jetski,take spare canister with gas and...go!

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10 hours ago, HerbalEd said:

Do you have a bar in your car?

 

After stopping at 7/11 yes.

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17 hours ago, HerbalEd said:

Do you fly? Ever had a delayed or cancelled flight? Sure, you have ... many times. But I bet you still continue to fly.

Interesting point - most people fly because the y have to - e.g - the length of distance. Only on local flights do they have an alternative and then delays can make the purchase of a ticket not worthwhile.

 

the ferry appears to be largely for recreational purposes - anyone thinking it will save time or money may well after one bad trip return to the road alternative.

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7 hours ago, rhythmworx said:

 

After stopping at 7/11 yes.

Driving and alcohol - I think you need to go to one of the governments "attitude adjustment" centres.

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19 hours ago, HerbalEd said:

Do you fly? Ever had a delayed or cancelled flight? Sure, you have ... many times. But I bet you still continue to fly.

I've been flying on a regular basis (average 3 flights per year) for the last 30-odd years.  I've only ever once had a flight delayed by more than a couple of hours and even that was only delayed for a day.  I have also only once experienced a cancelled flight and the airline (KLM) put us on an alternative flight leaving an hour later which admittedly took us to a different destination airport but with free transport at the other end to take us to our destination.

 

So all in all, I've never been delayed by more than 24 hours on any travel by air.  A little different to being delayed for a week or thereabouts.

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19 hours ago, HerbalEd said:

Do you fly? Ever had a delayed or cancelled flight? Sure, you have ... many times. But I bet you still continue to fly.

Have you ever had a flight delayed for 5 days like the first trip of this ferry was. Every time there are bad weather in the gulf this ferry will be delayed. For travellers this will make the service unreliable. You cant expect travellers to buy tickets and then be told they cant travel or worse we dont know when you will be able to travel. If you read first hand reports of the first trip you will also see that many people got sea sick.

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Its interesting how much the successful maiden voyage irritates so many Thaivisa members that they have to desperately cobble together all sorts of fatuous nonsense in their attempts to denigrate the service.

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I would have reservations about this service in particular the pricing.

 
On the premise that at 0 baht the number of passengers would be “unlimited/maximum or at least exceed the capacity of the vessel, incremental price increases will show a line that relates passenger take up against price.

I doubt if this is s a straight line - more likely a parabolic curve of some kind.

 
In fact what has the take up been on the free (0 baht) test trips? Was the vessel even full then?

So my question would be at what price does take cover running costs and expected profit from the project?

My feeling is that at the current price take up will be too low......and subsequent reductions in price may result in  a loss in profitability to the extent that the operation will have to close or get subsidized.

 
I would also question the service offered.....I would seem to me that there has been little or no research into who/what would require or take up this service.

So far it has been suggested that tourists wishing to avoid the longer and more dangerous road trip are the target - but will this be sufficient to keep the service running year round?

 
There have been hints of a larger vessel later, which would double capacity and of course introduce savings of scale for the company - but this depends on the extra numbers of take-ups being there in the first place. Where is the evidence for that?

 
[For example -  with the larger vessel 250 per trip - 2 trips par day times 7 days equals 3500 pax per week - is this possible?]

 
It seems to e that they have not considered and car ferry either...although this would require a much higher level of investment, given the potential advantages for freight and motorists one wonders if in the long run this would have been a more productive service.

 
In conclusion one has to wonder at the depth of research that went into the business plan for this venture and the ultimate practicability or the service offered and the potential for it to pay for itself.

 
 
 


1250 baht one way... VIP price to be announced...

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Something good an newsworthy has just happened for Pattaya & Hua Hin but yet u still get moaners on here who just hav to try & find faults with it.
 

Hear hear

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ID: 99   Posted (edited)

I'm sure some people will think this new service is the best thing since sliced bread.

But others including myself believe their are serious issues to be considered surrouding this launch.

I think that just sitting back and unquestionly accepting it as some perfect solution is just plain unthinking shortsightedness.. 

How it runs ...how safe and how viable remains to be seen...but as there have already been previous failed attempts at this I think it is valid to take historical evidence into account

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On ‎06‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 4:40 PM, oldsailor35 said:

Just cannot wait to see it fail, can you, looser !

: SMPLE  and elementary deduction:  a single test is not an engineeringly valid test//

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