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German couple killed on motorcycle at Cha-Am U-turn

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These people were friends of a friend.

This U-turn is dangerous as the traffic on the highway is usually doing 120+.

Its another one of those 2 way turns where your line of sight becomes blocked by vehicles turning from the opposite direction.

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These people were friends of a friend.
This U-turn is dangerous as the traffic on the highway is usually doing 120+.
Its another one of those 2 way turns where your line of sight becomes blocked by vehicles turning from the opposite direction.

You just wait until all the oncoming u-turn vehicles have turned, and you can see your way clear.

What's so rocket-science about that?


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2 hours ago, Fookhaht said:

Been there, done that, got the accidents. 

 

For some reason, we've got a preponderance of roundabouts in my neck of the Isaan woods.  Why?  Maybe some civil servant engineer was educated in the UK decades back and thought it was a good idea to impose it on the hapless natives who were herding buffalo just 10 years back.     Many of our roundabouts have fountains, clock towers, or statues in the middle--just like the UK or Europe.  But that's where the civilization part of the charade comes to a chaotic end.

Every roundabout is a comedy-in-motion.  Absolutely no one understands the rules (are there any here?) or the purpose.   It's treated more like an inscrutable obstacle than a traffic-facilitator.  

 

  • When vehicles enter the roundabout fray, some drivers already in the middle come to a dead-stop in the midst of their personal whirly-gig, not knowing how to handle or respond to the newcomer.  Everyone just sits and stares. 
  • Some new entrants race right toward the middle inner lanes, disregarding any vehicles already there, causing chaos to the existing swirling traffic.  
  • Others just go around and around, like turds in a toilet bowl, not knowing how to exit.  After five revolutions, when they finally decide to go for it, it's a mad dash through 2-3 lanes, causing at least 10 other drivers to soil their farmer's loincloths.
  • One time, just when I thought I was going to successfully make it around my first revolution, I jammed on my brakes in a total panic, being confronted by a roasted-peanut seller who had set up shop on the inside lane, enjoying the cooling spray from the center fountain.  A toothless grin from her didn't seem to help my frame of mind. 
  • We mix it up with freight trucks, buses, cars, motorbikes, bicyclists, pedestrians, dogs and a few confused chickens--all unwilling participants in a washing machine spin cycle imported from a hi-so god-knows-where.   

Teach them how to use it?  Good luck with that.  

Totally agree. The Dolphin roundabout in Pattaya was the scene of more accidents than any U-turn along Sukhumvit road, but as the speeds were lower the Grim Reaper wasn't as effective!

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Most of the u turns built here are not built to include a wide enough divider between thru traffic going in opposite directions, to have a seperate u turn lane so traffic can make the uturn without danger and then get up to merging speed prior to entering main traffic flow.

 

Different ways are used by those schooled in different traffic flow design to ensure the most effecient, safe way to handle the different choices drivers will/can make, depending on the location.

Thailand does not seem to have a lot of people involved in sorting out traffic accident potential areas during the planing stage of construction much less correcting what was a rip off by many involved, to delet the funds provided into the pockets of those involved in the bids and construction of the work. That may be one of several reasons for the police escort they use while on the roadways and fly to get there.

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1 hour ago, Fookhaht said:


You just wait until all the oncoming u-turn vehicles have turned, and you can see your way clear.

What's so rocket-science about that?


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And if the vehicles in the opposition direction do the same?

Nobody ever moves.

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ID: 33   Posted (edited)

29 minutes ago, Psychic said:

And if the vehicles in the opposition direction do the same?

Nobody ever moves.

Thais can't wait.  They'll be the first to move even if it endangers their own lives and all those around them.  Here's where they trust in Karma to the point of their undoing.  

However, your point is well-made.  The U-turns are death traps.  

Meanwhile, in this situation, be patient and at least protect yourself and your loved ones.  

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ID: 34   Posted (edited)

1 hour ago, Fookhaht said:


You just wait until all the oncoming u-turn vehicles have turned, and you can see your way clear.

What's so rocket-science about that?


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Removed duplicated sentiment.

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ID: 35   Posted (edited)

7 hours ago, meatboy said:

people seem to believe that they are invincible [your referring to WHO]  when they choose to go or stay in thailand,say's you.

you need to GET REAL with a NEW BRAIN.

Transplantation successful! But I still live in the real world with the same definition of life.
Referring to all that are listed in the news everyday in different so called accidents or suicide attemps. Also to all the violence that nobody really have the knowledge about how much they can hit and kick on somebody before they might die. Just another accident, duh! Just don´t give me such easy things to reply. Just take a look at reality! For positive, and only you negative without a clue, so far.

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U-Turns aren't the problem, the design of the U-Turns is though, they should have a lane that is blocked to traffic flowing, but allows the driver to make the U-Turn and then safely merge back with the flow of traffic. I know they have some of these here already, they should continue that design, and remove the dangerous ones.

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6 hours ago, Mackstask said:

Looks like a built up area, no doubt the Honda Jazz driver was speeding. Thais! No perception of what might happen, always what won't happen.

No doubt you and your speculation will be way off.  It seems that the Germans had less awareness and perception than the Thai in this case.  "Germans!", to use your banal generalisation.

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A safer form of U-turn, recently installed on the dual carriageway (canal road) from Hua Hin to Cha-am is the one where a separate U-turn is provided for vehicles in each direction.  This means that vehicles using their U-turn coming from the opposite direction do not block the view of those using the other U-turn, placed some distance apart.  However, this does not stop inconsiderate vehicles and motor cycles from drawing alongside and in front, again blocking your view of oncoming traffic.  

 

So far, I have found the few round-a-bouts installed here to be a hazard as many vehicles simply ignore all the road markings and drive straight across at speed, not appreciating that vehicles already on the round-a-bout have preference. As in the West, they could work well, given proper education of all drivers.

 

As an aside, also a major hazard here are the number of  scooters without rear lights, even when the driver has a couple of kids on board. Do these people have no regard for their safety at all?  In most cases, a regular inspection of their scooter and a few baht for a replacement bulb is all that is required.  Last night, when travelling into Hua Hin from Palm Hills (about 9 km) I witnessed 7 scooters travelling without lights and the drivers with no helmets and often moving at speed.  One of them drove straight through a set of traffic lights showing 57 seconds before a light change.  Probably in a hurry to get home to his hammock but possibly heading for permanent residence in the local temple following cremation?

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RIP to the deceased. I just had a horrible thought what if the law decided to

change from driving on the left side to driving on the right side ?

was in Guernsey a few years back they had a great system at roundabouts

you took it in turns as to who went onto the roundabout, but it sure would not work in Thailand

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14 hours ago, Carib said:

Getting rid of U-turns would help.

the cost would be hundreds of billions

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2 hours ago, Retiredandhappyhere said:

 One of them drove straight through a set of traffic lights showing 57 seconds before a light change.  Probably in a hurry to get home to his hammock but possibly heading for permanent residence in the local temple following cremation?

Daily occurrence here in Bangkok, I have seen police officers do it, motorcycles, and believe it or not a large brown/tan commuter bus that I see do it almost daily (Insane!). Best yet was while I was making a right hand turn from the right most lane, and Concrete truck behind me decides to pass me on the right at high speed while we are both making the turn, almost running right over my hood and passenger door, why? So he could get one vehicle more ahead than I was......so my wife, daughter, and my life aren't worth much to him, as he almost ran right over us. In America his CDL would be gone, and he would be sitting in a jail cell for driving to endanger.

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Having seen the footage I can confirm that SPEED was a significant factor, as was their decision to cross from L to R.

 

RIP to the deceased and condolences to their family.

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A 74 year old German on a motobike with his German wife in Thailand.  That just sounds  terribly wrong to me , why not pay someone to drive you around or rent a car. If you can't handle Thai traffiic and dangerous U.turns , don't do it! You need eyes in your neck and be 100% focused all the time , At that age you ask for problems. 

 

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hmmmm..... and the slaughter on the thai killing fields(roads ) continues....

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6 hours ago, balo said:

A 74 year old German on a motobike with his German wife in Thailand.  That just sounds  terribly wrong to me , why not pay someone to drive you around or rent a car. If you can't handle Thai traffiic and dangerous U.turns , don't do it! You need eyes in your neck and be 100% focused all the time , At that age you ask for problems. 

 

 Age got nothing to do with it, experience will.

I am 80 yrs old and drive daily for over 40 (forty) yrs in Thai traffic with motorcycle and car.

It's the inexperienced Farang who is a danger in traffic here, driving motorcycles for the first time in their life and in South-East Asian traffic which is , to say the least, different.

They have a driving license of their home country and think that is the holy grail of driving.

This home license is totally worthless here regarding driving in Thai traffic, or in South-East Asia for that matter.

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22 hours ago, 01322521959 said:

Why not get rid of these u turns. Put something called roundabouts in and teach the Thais how to use them! Christ! Why don't the authorities look at my home country, the UK. You don't have all these dangerous u turns all over the place.


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Roundabouts?!? :ohmy: NO thanks. Gimme a U-TURN any day. :coffee1:

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I have noticed here in order to drive you have to be in a  good state of mind and always be ready for anything without being over excited by the traffic all around you. I call this Jungle Driving every thing go so confusion is there at all time and always be on the defensive .

So far so good but also not like these U-turn they are  a real danger.

So RIP for the couple that have lost their life while on holiday.

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On 2/14/2017 at 4:40 PM, Raymonddiaz said:

Very sad.RIP. This happens daily in LOS. How to stop the slaughtering?

I have watched the video; The Germans cut across 3 lanes at a slow speed. No helmets and improper clothing. They were hit broadside.  The speeding Thai motorist  was not paying attention and could have slowed down, He saw them, but didn't even brake. 

Equal responsibility to all parties.

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1 hour ago, bandito said:

 Will not help.

Waiting your turn will help, not trying to jump till first place or blocking half the road trying to turn in oncoming traffic.

I make u-turns on a daily basis, 4 where I live, when I exit my soi and never have/had any problems because I wait, sometimes 10 minutes when there is heavy traffic.

I drive for over 40 yrs on Thai roads, no serious accidents.

Now 80 yrs old and still driving my motorcycle and car, daily.:partytime2:

 

This road is poorly designed. It doubles as an autoroute and a local service road. It needs flyovers and traffic slowing in populated areas. Proper road design really is a foreign concept to Thailand and this is a country where safety is not a priority.

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