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recent road-widening in our area introduced new UTurns; the road is much less safe now with Uturns backing up and people scrambling to avoid the UTurns; the locals are the losers, the non-local people going thru are the winners

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19 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

recent road-widening in our area introduced new UTurns; the road is much less safe now with Uturns backing up and people scrambling to avoid the UTurns; the locals are the losers, the non-local people going thru are the winners

Seems like normal procedure all over Thailand.  Make the roads wider to help the non-locals stuff the residents.  On a 4 km stretch of road passing my house a 1km trip to make a u-turn instead of turning right as I used to and if I go out to the left, to get back home I now have to drive 0.75km past my house and sit in a queue of homeward bound Bangkokians at a traffic light before making a u-turn at the lights to get back.  Local Thais drive quite long distances on the wrong side of the road (cars, bikes, pick-ups even vans and trucks on occasion) to avoid these onerous turns.

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On 2/15/2017 at 4:40 AM, Raymonddiaz said:

Very sad.RIP. This happens daily in LOS. How to stop the slaughtering?

Easy! Take away the motorbikes*. Obviously the minimal protection they provide makes them unsuitable for road use. The statistics I saw yesterday indicate that >70% of the road deaths are due to motor bike accidents.

 

* = Yes, I know easier stated than done and it's not going to happen! Oh well, usually it's the careless and the unfit that get "taken away", permanently.

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On ‎15‎/‎02‎/‎2017 at 0:06 AM, colinneil said:

Ok show police your dashcam video, but 1 think it dosent show is how fast you were going at the time.

Most dash cams with GPS logging will record footage with GPS data included and speed and coordinates are logged to each video file.

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On 2/15/2017 at 4:55 AM, Carib said:

Getting rid of U-turns would help.

 

 

Absolutely. No other country in the world uses u-turns as liberally as Thailand. Not Malaysia, not Cambodia (which has very few multi-lane roads anyway), not Vietnam, not China. U-turns on highways, except in very rural areas should be eliminated. All multi-lane roads where there is a need for a u-turn should have them converted into u-turn bridges or underpasses. Expressways separating local and long-distance traffic should be built urgently. In Bangkok, they really need to link sois with each other, bypassing the need to enter or re-enter congested main roads.

 

If I was a roads minister in the Thai government I'd be embarrassed that a poorer country like Vietnam is about to have more km of expressway than Thailand, which, aside from Bangkok currently only has 120km of expressway extending from Bangkok to Pattaya and a 62km stretch from Bang Na to Bang Pa-in.

 

A 100+km section of expressway near Danang opened recently and the Vietnamese government reportedly expects to have an expressway covering the entire 1700km stretch between Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh completed by around 2020, along with the existing highway being entirely converted to 4-lanes, which is already 70-80% done and all within just a couple of years....amazing. There are even plans to build an expressway in Laos from Pakse to Vientiane and from Vientiane to Hanoi. Will they be completed before Thailand's third, long overdue expressway from Bang Pa-in to Nakorn Ratchasima will be completed? I wouldn't be surprised.

 

Meanwhile until the 20-year overdue Thai expressway masterplan, which envisions expressways linking the Malaysian, Burmese, Cambodian and Lao borders with Bangkok is completed, thousands of lives will needlessly end due to collisions at u-turn bays. The vast majority of accidents will involve motorcycles (80-90%) as will injuries and fatalities. Many of these will be locals who have the misfortune of living next to major highways such as the one described in this story. In tourist areas, tourists are also at risk.

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I'm always wondering the behaviour of Thais at U-turns. They nearly always try to merge in the outer most lane after a U-turn and thus having to cross all lanes.

As in the picture attached instead of going for the middle lane (being the car) and thus at least keeping one lane free, they go for the outer most lane. And especially i never understand the motorbikes. I'm in the situation as on the picture every day. The car is "shielding" the inner lane from any cars, but the motorbikes are waiting until they can somehow find a spot, often risky, to go across all 3 lanes. I just try to find a way in between the motorbikes waiting there and just turn around in the shadow of the car sticking to the inner lane where i'm sure nobody will go because the car is blocking the lane.

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On 15/02/2017 at 5:25 AM, jerojero said:

U turns dangerous. Motorbikes high risk vehicles. Old guys driving, higher risk. Us oldies need to realize our aging limitations in motor skills, hearing, eyesight and driving skills! RIP to the couple.

 

I really think that U turns should be controlled at traffic lights.  It seems slightly odd to me to have a set of lights 150 metres away, yet a U turn before you get there.  

Highways in most countries have these, why not here?

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On 2017-02-15 at 1:06 AM, colinneil said:

What a tragic loss r.i.p.

It is not how you drive here, that is the problem, it is how others drive.

Ok show police your dashcam video, but 1 think it dosent show is how fast you were going at the time.

Yes it do show the speed. If you calculate one point and how long time it takes to reach another point. After that calculate the length between the 2 points you will easily be able to obatain your answer.

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On 10/6/2017 at 9:28 PM, jackdd said:

I'm always wondering the behaviour of Thais at U-turns. They nearly always try to merge in the outer most lane after a U-turn and thus having to cross all lanes.

As in the picture attached instead of going for the middle lane (being the car) and thus at least keeping one lane free, they go for the outer most lane. And especially i never understand the motorbikes. I'm in the situation as on the picture every day. The car is "shielding" the inner lane from any cars, but the motorbikes are waiting until they can somehow find a spot, often risky, to go across all 3 lanes. I just try to find a way in between the motorbikes waiting there and just turn around in the shadow of the car sticking to the inner lane where i'm sure nobody will go because the car is blocking the lane.

uturn.png

A lot of Thai MV operators are not good tactical/defensive thinkers (albeit, I haven't noticed this "outside lane" tendency on U-turns). This may be because they have a destination that is near the U-turn and want to go to the curb lane immediately during the U-turn rather than cut across lanes of traffic while moving and/or even be forced to proceed past their destination by left-side traffic (if they had U-turned into to the inside lane)?

 

I ride a bicycle and carefully use "vehicle shielding" as a defensive cycling ploy, but you won't find me navigating a potentially dangerous U-turn with MVs because It would probably require my being in the inside lane with potentially fast-moving cars.

 

However, with "vehicle shielding", one does not want to be caught in a "discover check situation" or near a "shield vehicle" that could itself be hit  and pushed into you. These unlikely scenarios could result in "checkmate, game over".

 

I'd go down to the nearest light and either make two right turns (or a U-turn) there or use the pedestrian crosswalks to effectively make my U-turn.

 

PS: Good observation and description, BTW. :biggrin:

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On 2/15/2017 at 4:55 AM, Carib said:

Getting rid of U-turns would help.

 

Yes. Teach the Thais to use roundabouts and close all U-turns.

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