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Scotland's Sturgeon says: I can win an independence vote

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Lord Ashcroft... :shock1: 
 
Hardly think that Tax Dodger to be capable of presenting any thing credible...
 

So what credible source did you use to come to the conclusion that most Scots must be sick of the SNP?

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On 4/9/2017 at 5:48 PM, transam said:

You want to go your separate way it seems....Cut off your head to spite your nose....And folk like you will take Scotland to the pits......If Scots wanted out of the union they would have voted that way, they didn't, even with Scot folk canvassing immigrants to vote against Scots..

 

Deplorable actions....

So you believe that despite the fact that Scotland's GDP per capita would rank it 8th among the EU member states it would be a non viable entity.

 

It is very easy to assume that because people voted to remain in the union that they did not want independence, it couldn't possibly be a case of wanting independence but not on the terms being presented. I understand that it is difficult for many to acknowledge that the Scottish referendum was based on a 650 page white paper rather than verbal rhetoric.

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Then you need to help me understand better - what did you mean when you highlighted the fact that New Zealand produces 'stuff'?

My position is nothing about shields but about a fairer, more equitable society. I think, however, that it is you who is stuck in some romanticised notion of a time long passed.

I take it you haven't bothered to do any research about country sizes? Well how about Austria?

We don't get free NHS, social security etc. We do have tax payers just like England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Do you really feel that Scotland would get a fairer, more equitable society when run from Brussels ?


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23 minutes ago, DILLIGAD said:


Do you really feel that Scotland would get a fairer, more equitable society when run from Brussels ?


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I don't believe that the UK is now run from Brussels so I see no reason to expect an independent Scotland to be so.

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29 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I don't believe that the UK is now run from Brussels so I see no reason to expect an independent Scotland to be so.

So what does Brussels do....?

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So what does Brussels do....?

I will resist posting the Pythons/Romans UTube!

 

 

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I don't believe that the UK is now run from Brussels so I see no reason to expect an independent Scotland to be so.

In that case why do you think Britain wants Brexit?


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59 minutes ago, transam said:

So what does Brussels do....?

Hmmmmm, nobody is going to tell me what Brussels does then.....?

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2 hours ago, DILLIGAD said:


In that case why do you think Britain wants Brexit?


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Absolutely no idea - I actually know very few Brexiters, and those few I do know all conform to the same type of personality, but I try to avoid stereotyping people so I will resist the urge to suggest that there is one fundamental set of reasons. 

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1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

Absolutely no idea - I actually know very few Brexiters, and those few I do know all conform to the same type of personality, but I try to avoid stereotyping people so I will resist the urge to suggest that there is one fundamental set of reasons. 

You can tell us, we are I think all grown up folk...

 

Whilst you are here, tell me what Brussels does that Scotland (SNP) wants...?

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3 hours ago, transam said:

So what does Brussels do....?

This is a thread about Scotland, so it makes more sense to point out the powers that are in London, not Brussels - these will be transferred to an independent Scotland. 

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1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

This is a thread about Scotland, so it makes more sense to point out the powers that are in London, not Brussels - these will be transferred to an independent Scotland. 

That is a very weak answer.........Try again please..

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1 minute ago, transam said:

You can tell us, we are I think all grown up folk...

 

Whilst you are here, tell me what Brussels does that Scotland (SNP) wants...?

Having witnessed many a spat on here, I am not sure I am so optimistic. 

 

As I am not a member of the SNP, I cannot answer for them. For me personally, I want full control of Scottish affairs, both domestic and international, to reside in Edinburgh, as simple as that. In what way would Brussels make a power grab from Edinburgh?

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1 minute ago, transam said:

That is a very weak answer.........Try again please..

Not at all - you are making a play to stir up controversy by going off topic. 

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1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

Having witnessed many a spat on here, I am not sure I am so optimistic. 

 

As I am not a member of the SNP, I cannot answer for them. For me personally, I want full control of Scottish affairs, both domestic and international, to reside in Edinburgh, as simple as that. In what way would Brussels make a power grab from Edinburgh?

I think you don't understand how things work being a member of the EU.............

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Just now, RuamRudy said:

Not at all - you are making a play to stir up controversy by going off topic. 

Typical reply from someone who does not have the answers...

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Absolutely no idea - I actually know very few Brexiters, and those few I do know all conform to the same type of personality, but I try to avoid stereotyping people so I will resist the urge to suggest that there is one fundamental set of reasons. 

I believe the reason U.K. agreed to Brexit is the exact same reason you want to take back control within Scotland. To be able to 'sign-off' our own laws/trade deals and secure our borders from freeloaders rampaging across Europe.

I seriously worry that what you want, will ultimately damage your lovely country & people.

 

 

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6 hours ago, sandyf said:

I understand that it is difficult for many to acknowledge that the Scottish referendum was based on a 650 page white paper rather than verbal rhetoric.

 How many Scots do you think actually read and fully considered those 650 pages before voting?

 

How many based their vote upon verbal rhetoric from whichever side they supported?

 

I suspect very few of the former, and a multitude of the latter.

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27 minutes ago, DILLIGAD said:

I believe the reason U.K. agreed to Brexit is the exact same reason you want to take back control within Scotland. To be able to 'sign-off' our own laws/trade deals and secure our borders from freeloaders rampaging across Europe.

I seriously worry that what you want, will ultimately damage your lovely country & people.

 

 

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So would you be in favour of Scottish independence if it was to remain outside the EU?

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This may be the main ploy, Now that the UK has left the EU is Scotlands chance to become wholly independent, they have great resources and can go it alone easily.

I wonder if a referendum to join the EU would win once they leave the UK.

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