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Pattaya - Hua Hin Ferry 50% - 60% full in first month

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FYI, Dover to Calais ferry, 1.5 hrs passenger only fare 30 GBP.   But, with car you can add a family for 49 GBP.  

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11 minutes ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

Yes.

 

Let's have the evidence then.

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11 minutes ago, whatawonderfulday said:

The fact that there have been deaths from ferry capsizes and luckily 85 people were rescued in 2015 by way of an example, then persons safety should be of paramount importance, even in Thailand. The fact that you and others glibly gloss over things suggest to me that either there is something untoward you have desire or financial reason to cover over or else you are totally ignorant of the issue.  I will leave the answer to that question for others to deduce.

Of course safety should be important but no one apart from you has queried it!

 

It will be interesting to see what others deduce about me that is "untoward" according to your thinking!  What if I did have a financial interest in the ferry, how would it concern you even if that were the case?

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59 minutes ago, JSixpack said:

 

Let's have the evidence then.

 

Sorry, I really wasn't sure what "no" meant with your reply.

 

I would actually like a service to succeed. I think more options the better.

 

I just think the price point is high and people in general are cheap. Some are not, but they are in minority... trust me there.

 

The Airport link is a perfect example, actually. 

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1 hour ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

 

Sorry, I really wasn't sure what "no" meant with your reply.

 

I would actually like a service to succeed. I think more options the better.

 

I just think the price point is high and people in general are cheap. Some are not, but they are in minority... trust me there.

 

The Airport link is a perfect example, actually. 

 

No, because the Airport link handles 100,000 passengers daily and is cited as being overcrowded--a case that the fare is too low and should be raised further. Last time I rode it I couldn't find a seat. The ferry operator seems to have taken precautionary measures against having that problem. ;)

 

Pricing of a new product or service is never easy and based on reasonable projections that may or may not come true. You may rest assured they've considered the pricing carefully, contrary to what our ace barstool economists here may believe in their own interests. If there's no more profit in carrying more passengers at a lower price, then the ferry won't do it. They may try that if they find that the return at this price point isn't optimal. Watch for promotions. Or they may try value-added. Or not. So we'll see how it all plays out in due course.

 

 

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ID: 56   Posted (edited)

2 hours ago, GiantFan said:

FYI, Dover to Calais ferry, 1.5 hrs passenger only fare 30 GBP.   But, with car you can add a family for 49 GBP.  

That's relevant for Pattaya Thailand.

Can you tell us,  what the cost of a bottle of milk is in the uk :stoner:

 

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36 minutes ago, onemorechang said:

That's relevant for Pattaya Thailand.

Can you tell us,  what the cost of a bottle of milk is in the uk :stoner:

 

Similar distance, similar price.  I'll let the Poirot's come to their own conclusions.

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7 hours ago, gdgbb said:

What I find hard to understand is why some people are saying that the fares are too expensive when, objectively, they are not...the ferry is a success.

early days

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It's too early to predict any numbers yet , yes we have a news story about a 50% full ferry and I guess they can survive with that when everyone's paying 2500 baht for a return ticket.

 

But I do not believe we will see that many now during low season .  How many local Thais will use the service compared to westerners ? 

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ID: 60   Posted (edited)

6 hours ago, GiantFan said:

Similar distance, similar price.  I'll let the Poirot's come to their own conclusions.

 

Similar boats? Similar number of trips per day? Similar passenger volume? What a joke. Nonsensical comparison merely leads to conclusions about the poster. 

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3 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

Similar boats? Similar number of trips per day? Similar passenger volume? What a joke. Nonsensical comparison merely leads to conclusions about the poster. 

Hastings, look at the big picture vs. minutiae.

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7 hours ago, catman20 said:

early days

Yes, we all know it's early days but it's still proving successful in it's early days which would normally be the period that a new venture was not necessarily successful.

 

It sounds like you are one of the many Thaivisa posters who, for some inexplicable reason, want the ferry service to fail.

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12 hours ago, GiantFan said:

FYI, Dover to Calais ferry, 1.5 hrs passenger only fare 30 GBP.  

What does that mean?  You're giving an example of a completely dissimilar ferry trip, on the other side of the world, that is more expensive than the HH ferry.

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23 minutes ago, gdgbb said:

Yes, we all know it's early days but it's still proving successful in it's early days which would normally be the period that a new venture was not necessarily successful.

 

It sounds like you are one of the many Thaivisa posters who, for some inexplicable reason, want the ferry service to fail.

no i am sorry you are wrong there, do the maths,1,250 one way return 2,500 family of four say = 10,000 baht i come from the UK = 222 pounds sterling for a day trip if you decided to stay longer you then have other expenses like hotel food ect. that a huge amount of money for 99% of people living here. Now lets go onto the Thai people living here, most Thai earn between 10 and 15,000 baht a month u think they can afford to wipe out their months salary in one day trip to Hua Hin ?  and if you have been here any length of time you will know Thai people travel in packs of a lot more than 4 people. go figure :shock1:

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6 hours ago, balo said:

It's too early to predict any numbers yet , yes we have a news story about a 50% full ferry and I guess they can survive with that when everyone's paying 2500 baht for a return ticket.

 

But I do not believe we will see that many now during low season .  How many local Thais will use the service compared to westerners ? 

tell this to  gdgbb i hope he reads your post

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ID: 66   Posted (edited)

Its all very strange....

They treat Pattayas speed boat operators like dirt..

But roll-out the red carpet for the Hua Hin ferry...Cruiser escorts,

helicopter escorts no expense is to great for the Hua Hin ferry....

 

What is not clear is who owns the Hua Hin ferry? and why?

Is the Hua Hin ferry a government backed transportation system

like a railroad?

Or is the Hua Hin ferry a private money making venture,like a tourist attraction?

 

Right now I would say its a tourist attraction because its far far too

expensive to be considered public transportation......

 

 

 

 

 

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ID: 67   Posted (edited)

3 hours ago, fforest1 said:

Its all very strange....

 

No, nothing strange here at all except TVF Poster hostility to the new service they don't plan to use anyway. And that's only strange to those new to the forum. ;)

 

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They treat Pattayas speed boat operators like dirt..

But roll-out the red carpet for the Hua Hin ferry...Cruiser escorts,

helicopter escorts no expense is to great for the Hua Hin ferry....

 

Speed boat operators may be compared to van operators to some degree. ;) They're mostly unloved by everyone. You think a speedboat needs a cruiser & helicopter escort? I doubt Somchai thought about requesting such when the first speedboat took off from Pattaya Beach, what, 30 - 40 years ago? Quite a different kind of boat, and privately owned.

 

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What is not clear is who owns the Hua Hin ferry? and why?

 

No, it's all clear to anyone who reads. Government owned, privately operated. You may contact Marine Department director-general Sorasak Saensombat for questions related to the goverment's part. And you may contact the operator, Royal Passenger Liner, at their offices at the Pattaya Automatic Parking, 2nd floor, Bali Hai Pier in Pattaya or Khao Takiab Pier, the main pier in the centre of Hua Hin. Good 'nuff for you? That help?

 

Nor is the reason difficult to understand: to make money while incidentally offering a service some may enjoy or find useful. Officially, The Pattaya-Hua Hin ferry service is part of the Thai government’s East-West Ferry Project that attempts to link resorts and towns on facing coastlines of the Gulf Thailand. Now is a link better than no link? Well, probably.

 

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Right now I would say its a tourist attraction because its far far too

expensive to be considered public transportation......

 

The need for cheap mass transport by ferry between Pattaya and Hua Hin, such as between Dover & Calais, hasn't yet been demonstrated so far as I know. Certainly you have no numbers. Yes, you would ride it if were cheap mass transport; sorry, you'll just have to take the buses. Life ain't fair. Hope you can rest easy now.

 

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9 hours ago, catman20 said:

no i am sorry you are wrong there, do the maths,1,250 one way return 2,500 family of four say = 10,000 baht i come from the UK = 222 pounds sterling for a day trip if you decided to stay longer you then have other expenses like hotel food ect. that a huge amount of money for 99% of people living here. Now lets go onto the Thai people living here, most Thai earn between 10 and 15,000 baht a month u think they can afford to wipe out their months salary in one day trip to Hua Hin ?  and if you have been here any length of time you will know Thai people travel in packs of a lot more than 4 people. go figure :shock1:

No, I am not wrong there!  The service has been a success according to the owners of the service and your maths and currency conversions are irrelevant to that! 

 

Your speculative hypothesis about Thai family's inability to afford to use the ferry does not come into the announcement by the ferry operators of it's success either, the service is successful without those families that the service wasn't aimed at.

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1 minute ago, gdgbb said:

No, I am not wrong there!  The service has been a success according to the owners of the service and your maths and currency conversions are irrelevant to that! 

 

Your speculative hypothesis about Thai family's inability to afford to use the ferry does not come into the announcement by the ferry operators of it's success either, the service is successful without those families that the service wasn't aimed at.

exactly according to the owners is a success :cheesy: so if you take out the Thai family's using the ferry what do you have left a ex expats that may use the service once ?OK wait and see in a years time ....................ull be saying yer you was right on that one. look at all the likes that have clicked on to agree with me. :biggrin:

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2 minutes ago, catman20 said:

exactly according to the owners is a success :cheesy: so if you take out the Thai family's using the ferry what do you have left a ex expats that may use the service once ?OK wait and see in a years time ....................ull be saying yer you was right on that one. look at all the likes that have clicked on to agree with me. :biggrin:

Who else but a business owner has the right, or information, to judge a private company's success?  Certainly no one on Thaivisa is in a position to do that!

 

Don't rely too much on Thaivisa members' "Likes", "Likes" from us mean nothing and carry no weight particularly if you're using them to justify your contradictory opinion of the ferry's success.

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No, I am not wrong there!  The service has been a success according to the owners of the service and your maths and currency conversions are irrelevant to that! 

 

Your speculative hypothesis about Thai family's inability to afford to use the ferry does not come into the announcement by the ferry operators of it's success either, the service is successful without those families that the service wasn't aimed at.

Did you talk to the owners or did you just read a news story about it ? You keep suggesting that it is already a success. Try to be a little bit more moderate in your comments here on Thaivisa if you want us to take you seriously. And wait 6 months then we can talk about success or failure.

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On 3/14/2017 at 9:26 PM, gdgbb said:

It's not intended to be a lunch trip service!  It docks in Hua Hin which is Hua Hin, how much nearer to Hua Hin could Hua Hin be?

I thought it docked in Takiab?  There is so much conflicting info out there (especially on TVF) that I could well be wrong.

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2 hours ago, gdgbb said:

No, I am not wrong there!  The service has been a success according to the owners of the service and your maths and currency conversions are irrelevant to that! 

 

Your speculative hypothesis about Thai family's inability to afford to use the ferry does not come into the announcement by the ferry operators of it's success either, the service is successful without those families that the service wasn't aimed at.

your missing the point according to to owners its a success that what they say there hardly going to say well its a bit of a struggle and numbers are falling,wait and see ! how is my maths wrong ? and please tell us all WHAT CUSTOMERS WAS THE FERRY AIMED AT ? 

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ID: 74   Posted (edited)

1 hour ago, balo said:

Did you talk to the owners or did you just read a news story about it ? You keep suggesting that it is already a success. Try to be a little bit more moderate in your comments here on Thaivisa if you want us to take you seriously. And wait 6 months then we can talk about success or failure.

THANK YOU IVE BEEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN THIS TO gdgbb POOR CHAP JUST DONT GET IT:cheesy:

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3 hours ago, balo said:

Did you talk to the owners or did you just read a news story about it ? You keep suggesting that it is already a success. Try to be a little bit more moderate in your comments here on Thaivisa if you want us to take you seriously. And wait 6 months then we can talk about success or failure.

What do you think?  Of course I got the information from the news report, how else does anyone get news? 

 

I don't "keep suggesting" that the service is a success, the OP that is being discussed said that.  What logical reason do you have to think that your doubts have any more credibility than my lack of doubts in the report?  Why wait 6 months to discuss the success, are you desperately hoping it will fail by then?   Sounds just like you and most of the rest of this thread want just that.

 

By the way, I will treat your instruction for me to moderate my comments with the contempt it deserves.  How much do you think it bothers me if Thaivisa posters don't take my posts seriously?  Here's a clue, 5/8ths of sweet Fanny Adams would be very near the mark.

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