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British woman's rape claim: She's just a con artist says Patpong massage parlor

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Hmmmm....The question is ..the curious question is: ....what does a rape test involve, here in Thailand

 

If and when a woman is raped and raped in the classic sense then what would confirm if the women was indeed raped.

 

What would they be looking for and looking to confirm if they did test her for rape in this particular case.

 

Is it assumed that the man would have left tell tale signs and evidence on her body, such as sperm and certainly his DNA ...

In the case of an Oil Massage ( mentioned in the article) then the mans DNA would have been all over her skin and mixed with hers...Correct?

While, if he did penetrate her, which is considered the confirmation of rape more so than any other aspect of aggressive and or forceful unwanted and non consensual sex, then his DNA by way of sperm residue would be in her Vagina if tested within a understood amount of time after the alleged rape ...even if he raped her while wearing a condom there is still DNA to be recovered from in or around the entrance to the Vagina.

But if he did not penetrate her then it is not considered full on rape rather aggressive and or coercive non consensual touching and fondling ( and or forced sexual groping under duress and threat ) ...but a full body oil massage is, in effect, pre arranged and agreed upon consensual touching and fondling of all the body parts except inserting the masseuses hands or fingers or tongue into the Vagina or anus or mouth.  

A full oil massage is meant to massage all body parts and areas there of and of course, erotic in its nature.

 

Can us guys pull off an alleged rape claim when the massage girl wants to give us a happy ending and touch us anyhow, and you know where specifically,   while we protest we are not interested in that particular aspect of a massage .......but they carry on anyhow hoping to convince you that you will change your mind .

If that is the case, then Geez, I have about a zillion rape cases to pursue and do not know where to start....LOL

 

Well what do  you think??....LOL    

 

Cheers

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ID: 77   Posted (edited)

"After the massage she went to eat at Le Meridian Hotel with her foreign boyfriend. An argument broke out and there was a fight. One of the staff members was slapped in the face and had clothing pulled after they refused to pay 3,600 baht for the bill".

 

Yeah, I read that after a woman gets raped it's tradition to go out to eat at a fancy hotel and then refuse to pay the bill.  Definitely not a criminal con artist, 555. 

 

Why would anyone even think such a thing????  😄

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ID: 78   Posted (edited)

11 hours ago, whatawonderfulday said:

Again I was right . Pls refer to the original thread

Right about what?

 

Pls refer to the original thread???... Right again...??? OMG, thats some ego trip your on!

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11 hours ago, whatawonderfulday said:

Again I was right . Pls refer to the original thread

well i guess you feel swell

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if this is true...ignore my previous uninformed reply....this pos should spend some time in the finest cells that thailand has to offer.

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ID: 81   Posted (edited)

3 hours ago, Wake Up said:

To each his own. I always pick the most beautiful woman in the place no matter what type of massage and I have always been happy with the services. 

 

Your confused, in this case the customer is a western woman who works in Bangkok and she was offered either a male or female massage person, she chose a male, and it would seem knowing well that the oil massage she wanted  required the customer to be nude.

 

Phewwww 

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2 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Your confused, in this case the customer is a western woman who works in Bangkok and she was offered either a male or female massage person, she chose a male, and it would seem knowing well that the oil massage she wanted  required the customer to be nude.

 

Phewwww 


According to the person from the massage place quoted in the newspaper report, which isn't exactly gospel is it...

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14 hours ago, Razzler1973 said:

A convoluted plan to make 8000 or 5000 baht.

 

Is the Le Meredien story confirmed as true? It could very well be 'the other side' lashing out and coming up with a story to make someone look bad, who knows

Come on...wake up, Le Meridien is a serious business, they are not going to risk any problems by playing this stupid low life game.

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Posted her picture outside..

 

Has the massage parlour heard about the very powerful defamation laws in Thailand?  Doesn't matter if she is a convicted con artist or an alleged one.  Let's hope that 5k doesn't turn into 5 mil.   I think they should be very careful about publically defaming anyone.

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Sounds like scammers work both sides of the fence, Thais and expats sides

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36 minutes ago, Thechook said:

Posted her picture outside..

 

Has the massage parlour heard about the very powerful defamation laws in Thailand?  Doesn't matter if she is a convicted con artist or an alleged one.  Let's hope that 5k doesn't turn into 5 mil.   I think they should be very careful about publically defaming anyone.

Posted her picture outside..

 

It would only be defamatory in the case where the Picture actually is of her and not only a Picture belonging to her showing anything else than her (the article do not specify that...;)

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ID: 87   Posted (edited)

59 minutes ago, Thechook said:

Posted her picture outside..

 

Has the massage parlour heard about the very powerful defamation laws in Thailand?  Doesn't matter if she is a convicted con artist or an alleged one.  Let's hope that 5k doesn't turn into 5 mil.   I think they should be very careful about publically defaming anyone.

No, No silly...those laws are in favour of Thai people ...especially very wealthy and influential ones ...that can pay a lot of money to "make" themselves and their lawsuit very influential in a defamation laws suit against their opponents while Thai people can certainly launch a successful defamation lawsuit against another Thai person and put a quick stop to their complaints or criticism whether legitimate or not while certainly the Thais can launch one against foreigners..... and have many times.

A foreigner launching a defamation lawsuit against a Thai person of any status in the Thai  hierarchical society will not be very successful ( 99 percent failure ) and especially if the Thai people defendant(s)  are  wealthy persons and or has connections while all those connections would be considered unhealthy and detrimental to the health of the foreigner attempting to press forward with a defamation lawsuit against a Thai person.

But you can try ....and let us know the results...lol

 

Cheers

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11 hours ago, Wake Up said:

To each his own. I always pick the most beautiful woman in the place no matter what type of massage and I have always been happy with the services. 

Fair enough.  Nothing wrong with that st alll:) 

 

We all have our preferences.  Whatever works for us works.  

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13 hours ago, stravers said:

1) Not easy believing a business owner on the defensive.

2) Ms. Siobhan sent me her CV a few months ago and made many problems/demands just scheduling our interview. We hired someone else in the end.

Might have saved yourself a lot of future hassles.

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"After the massage she went to eat at Le Meridian Hotel with her foreign boyfriend. An argument broke out and there was a fight. One of the staff members was slapped in the face and had clothing pulled after they refused to pay 3,600 baht for the bill".
 
Yeah, I read that after a woman gets raped it's tradition to go out to eat at a fancy hotel and then refuse to pay the bill.  Definitely not a criminal con artist, 555. 
 
Why would anyone even think such a thing????  

So you're an expert on post-rape trauma?

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22 minutes ago, NotThatGuy said:

TV members come from ALL the important professions, don't ya know? There are the:

 

1. Detectives (We all know Somchai did it!)

2. Post Rape Trauma experts (she was ASKING for it)

3. Thai Culture Specialists (All Thai people are ______. )

4. PR Managers (If they just did ____ than all of this could have been avoided)

5. Nobel Laureate Scientists (Ajan Cheap Charlie)

6. Super Hero's (give me 5 minutes with that guy)

7. Genius Experts of all worldly knowledge (Issan trolls)

I'II throw myself into category 1.  Where do you fit.

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20 hours ago, Toshiba66 said:

I don't think I believe most of this story. Firstly, I don't believe the massage parlor would give her 5000 baht when she refused a rape test. Secondly, why wait 2 hours if it was rape. I'd be screaming like a <deleted> at the time!

 

 

She should have been taken to hospital for a test straight away, then the mystery might be solved, however if she kicked him and he stopped, the gun may not have fired and no evidence.

Taking an oil massage with a male masseur in Patpong is a bit stupid , however no one deserves to be assaulted in this way.

 

I would guess that something did occur at the parlour, I also think she may be a bit of a nutter over the restaurant affair.

3600 BHT for a meal is a pretty good meal, maybe they got overcharged for this, I have had that happen .

Stay away from Patpong and red light areas dear you seem to attract trouble.   

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13 hours ago, hellohello123 said:

A little off topic but I prefer to get foot massages from men or middle aged chunkier women. 

 

The masseuse at those posh places are always middle aged ladies and they do a fantastic job

A masseur massaging a woman could said to be "massaging the figures". 😨😨☺☺

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She should have been taken to hospital for a test straight away, then the mystery might be solved, however if she kicked him and he stopped, the gun may not have fired and no evidence.
Taking an oil massage with a male masseur in Patpong is a bit stupid , however no one deserves to be assaulted in this way.


She said he wore a condom and that neither of them had any physical marks on them. She also said she took a proper shower directly after. I don't know whether rape could be medically established or not.
 
I would guess that something did occur at the parlour, I also think she may be a bit of a nutter over the restaurant affair.
3600 BHT for a meal is a pretty good meal, maybe they got overcharged for this, I have had that happen .
Stay away from Patpong and red light areas dear you seem to attract trouble.  


She said she thought the meal was free because she went there directly after the rape, told the staff she was raped, and one staff member said "enjoy the buffet." She thought this meant it was free. She said then the staff was being aggressive in demanding payment so began assaulting them.

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ID: 97   Posted (edited)

2 hours ago, Thechook said:

I'II throw myself into category 1.  Where do you fit.

8. "The Bangkok Troll". I know everything, and have all the answers but I refuse to share the knowledge with the world dishing out spurts of sarcasm to make myself feel superior to the rest of humanity I lost faith in long ago.

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15 minutes ago, NotThatGuy said:

8. "The Bangkok Troll". I know everything, and have all the answers but I refuse to share the knowledge with the world dishing out spurts of sarcasm to make myself feel superior to the rest of humanity I lost faith in long ago.

You didn't provide an 8th option to rest of the viewers, so have you placed yourself as a greater person than the rest of us infidels, if so why do you socialise with us?

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reading that he "held her down and continued"

does that mean he had started and it was only after a while that she shouted "NO"

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I think everyone on here is concentrating on one type of rape.  There are different types.  Sexual penetration, with an object and digital rape (finger)  all are rape.  He is a masseuse, did he slip a finger

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