Jonathan Fairfield

Pattaya: Brutal farang vs farang road rage assault caught on camera

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 As some have mentioned previously, the old guy could easily have suffered life changing injuries based on hitting his head on the ground after being attacked by the big guy.

 

Reminds me of the Regent teacher who was viciously assaulted by Sean Tinsley a couple of years back and has never recovered from his injuries. Slightly similar situation to this with a minor scrape to a car being seen as an excuse to launch an unnecessary attack on a weaker opponent. Only, in Tinsley's case, he made full use of a wheel brace during his attack. 

 

I recall that there were one or two posters defending the actions of Tinsley back then. Takes all sorts.

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8 hours ago, catman20 said:

 

your statement is completely unjustified in my opinion you have not seen what happened before that for the small guy to go talk to the car behind , if he was racing up behind him and scaring your wife and child in the car then the car behind in the first place the driver is an idiot and secondly you would want to point it out to him as he could endanger other peoples lives maybe yours if you were crossing the road on a bend he is the type of idiot that would overtake on a corner and would not think twice about the concequences of knocking you down and killing you maybe you could be crossing the road with a child on a zebra crossing and that idiot would be the kind of idiot that would overtake a car waiting to let you cross the road and end up running you over and your child 

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the big guy should be deported and fined massively on top of paying medical costs.  violence is not the answer. hope the big guy gets charged.  do I need to be afraid of big people now as I walk down the street. where will this end.  i better start taking steroids

 

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7 hours ago, JamJar said:

 

So...let's get this straight....if I am riding a bicycle, as I am wont to do, and a car driver cuts me up or veers into the cycle lane and I remonstrate with him by calling him an idiot, that in your eyes gives the car driver carte blanche to attack me?

 

Retaliation for remonstrating? It appears that you are stating that a perfectly acceptable reaction to a remonstration is a physical attack.

 

Did you beat your mum up if she told you off?

 

Let's get this straight... if you rode a bike in Pattaya, a car driver cuts you off or veers into your lane and you remonstrate with him by calling him an idiot, you're likely to cop a bashing. That's the reality of life in Pattaya and probably Thailand in general. I have no idea how much remonstrating you can get away with in your home country, but judging by your comments, probably quite a bit.

 

This is not about what is justified, moral, right or wrong. It's about what will likely happen in the real world. We're not preaching here, but giving sensible advice of how to behave in Thailand.

 

What you should do when someone does something you don't like here is suck it up, take a deep breath, remember where you are, bite your tongue and be on your way. That takes quite a bit of self-control for foreigners with inflated egos. It's a shame the victim in this incident had to learn his lesson the hard way. As stated many times, he's fortunate the driver wasn't Thai.

 

When I first came here and people cut me off I too remonstrated. I soon learned that it was not a good idea. I could bore you with some stories about how I remonstrated and what happened as a consequence, but surely you get the point now. 

 

 

 

 

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ID: 305   Posted (edited)

Tropo read your previous Post again and you will see that the above is not what you were saying. You said the small guy was 'squaring up' for a fight and he clearly was not. It looked to me like he was walking away before he was attacked. As such your Post comes across as supportive of a completely unnecessary act of aggression. Just because it maybe more dangerous to confront someone who has done wrong in Thailand it does necessarily mean that it is right or wrong for the confrontation. 

 

In general if nobody confronts bad actions those that commit the bad will do so more often. Let's hope the small guy recovers quickly and the big guy was arrested, at least the bad guy will think twice about doing the same again.

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1 hour ago, rogeroc said:

In general if nobody confronts bad actions those that commit the bad will do so more often. Let's hope the small guy recovers quickly and the big guy was arrested, at least the bad guy will think twice about doing the same again.

That's true ,   just get ready for fight mode when you do that in Thailand.

 

I hope they both got arrested,   both idiots.

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ID: 307   Posted (edited)

Yep good idea, i guess if you were an officer of the law you would arrest the little guy for being stupid ! You could arrest the big guy then let him off because he was mildly provoked.

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49 minutes ago, onemorechang said:

That's true ,   just get ready for fight mode when you do that in Thailand.

 

I hope they both got arrested,   both idiots.

Yes, they are both idiots but one was a violent idiot and AFAIK, idiocy in itself isn't a crime, anywhere.

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3 hours ago, tropo said:

Let's get this straight... if you rode a bike in Pattaya, a car driver cuts you off or veers into your lane and you remonstrate with him by calling him an idiot, you're likely to cop a bashing. That's the reality of life in Pattaya and probably Thailand in general. I have no idea how much remonstrating you can get away with in your home country, but judging by your comments, probably quite a bit.

 

This is not about what is justified, moral, right or wrong. It's about what will likely happen in the real world. We're not preaching here, but giving sensible advice of how to behave in Thailand.

 

What you should do when someone does something you don't like here is suck it up, take a deep breath, remember where you are, bite your tongue and be on your way. That takes quite a bit of self-control for foreigners with inflated egos. It's a shame the victim in this incident had to learn his lesson the hard way. As stated many times, he's fortunate the driver wasn't Thai.

 

When I first came here and people cut me off I too remonstrated. I soon learned that it was not a good idea. I could bore you with some stories about how I remonstrated and what happened as a consequence, but surely you get the point now. 

 

 

 

 

I have been in LOS collectively for over 20 years. I am still an avid remonstrator replete with blinding LED lights, deafening air horns, the oh so inappropriate middle finger.... and 80% window tint.

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ID: 310   Posted (edited)

10 minutes ago, rogeroc said:

Yep good idea, i guess if you were an officer of the law you would arrest the little guy for being stupid !

Your being a bit silly now.

What little guy are you on about ?

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6 minutes ago, onemorechang said:

Your being a bit silly now.

What little guy are you on about ?

The idiot who got thumped, not the idiot that did the thumping.

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Just now, NanLaew said:

The idiot who got thumped, not the idiot that did the thumping.

i see,   The aggressive old guy.

He made his choice,   wonder what he said through the window of the car

to the guys wife and children,  bet it was not hello.

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ID: 314   Posted (edited)

14 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

You started it.

 No i was replying to , rogeroc

But if you want to start something go ahead.

Hoo Ha

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4 hours ago, NanLaew said:

I have been in LOS collectively for over 20 years. I am still an avid remonstrator replete with blinding LED lights, deafening air horns, the oh so inappropriate middle finger.... and 80% window tint.

 

LOL> I would be so lucky on my motorcycle. I've been riding around in Pattaya for over 11 years. I learnt the hard way early on that nothing good will come from remonstrating... now I swallow my pride, maintain a poker face, and keep on riding.:smile:

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7 hours ago, rogeroc said:

Tropo read your previous Post again and you will see that the above is not what you were saying. You said the small guy was 'squaring up' for a fight and he clearly was not. It looked to me like he was walking away before he was attacked. As such your Post comes across as supportive of a completely unnecessary act of aggression. Just because it maybe more dangerous to confront someone who has done wrong in Thailand it does necessarily mean that it is right or wrong for the confrontation. 

 

In general if nobody confronts bad actions those that commit the bad will do so more often. Let's hope the small guy recovers quickly and the big guy was arrested, at least the bad guy will think twice about doing the same again.

 

If that's what you think, I failed to make my point clear enough. Even if you think he wasn't squaring up for a fight, he certainly was asking for one by getting in someone's face like that. If he was backing off it was probably because he realised too late that he was picking on someone "bigger" than himself. In actual fact, he probably outweighed the other guy.

 

Your idea that we should stand up to bad people to teach them how to behave is ridiculous. If you want to go around teaching all the nasty people in Pattaya a lesson, be my guest, and good luck.

 

 

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Your point is not clear because it changes when you are challenged (and not by me). There is not a shred  of evidence in the video  that the guy was squaring up for a fight, that is you finding nonsense to support the argument you want to make. The older guy was remonstrating, he was not asking to be thumped, surely you can see that distinction !!. 

 

My other point was that sometimes we all have to consider to stand up for ourselves (and possibly others) against what is wrong, the Police are not on every street corner. That is what the moto cycle taxi guys did and good for them. 

 

Your wording 'stand up to bad people to teach them how to behave' is out of context and extreme language designed to attempt to support your argument that you have already lost. You are using language like this to detract from the reasonable  point i am making which is really poor form. 

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1 hour ago, JamJar said:

The big guy was in no danger. He just couldn't control himself and decided to launch into an attack.

Absolutely 101% spot-on assessment.

 

The article should be renamed "... farang vs farang roid rage assault..."

 

The big bugger wears a wifebeater, has tatts and being identified as a Russian, pretty much assures he wasn't bloody teetotal either.

 

(That's for the tatt and roid defenders waiting in the wings).

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2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Absolutely 101% spot-on assessment.

 

The article should be renamed "... farang vs farang roid rage assault..."

 

The big bugger wears a wifebeater, has tatts and being identified as a Russian, pretty much assures he wasn't bloody teetotal either.

 

(That's for the tatt and roid defenders waiting in the wings).

Another forum has the 'big bugger' as being English with a Thai lady as the driver (wife?).

 

Of course, none of this has been verified and, given the silence from both local plod and press, it has likely been resolved in the time honoured way. We may never know the outcome, although, as the car plates were clearly seen, an ID of the big guy may happen at some stage. Although I would rather not be the one associated with giving out that info........... 

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3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Absolutely 101% spot-on assessment.

 

The article should be renamed "... farang vs farang roid rage assault..."

 

The big bugger wears a wifebeater, has tatts and being identified as a Russian, pretty much assures he wasn't bloody teetotal either.

 

(That's for the tatt and roid defenders waiting in the wings).

The old aggressor guy has tatts as well. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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6 hours ago, JamJar said:

 

Stop digging my friend. It only becomes more difficult to extricate yourself in the end.

Suggesting that most people will tend to act like that violent ape is just nonsense.

Then you dig an even bigger hole for yourself in suggesting that Thai people are likely to react in an even more violent manner.

Racist nonsense.

 
 
 
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You're doing all the digging, my friend. You're even playing the racist card now. Seriously? Have you never seen packs of Thai people attack foreigners? Where have you been?

 

I was trying to be as polite as possible in reply to your previous offerings, but now that you've decided to be obnoxious, I'll just have to come out and say it straight...

 

I asked you earlier if you think the victim was stupid, naive or overconfident. You easily tick all 3 boxes.

 

Perhaps you are the victim. I can't see any other reason for your stubborn disability to understand basic common sense.  

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2 hours ago, tropo said:

You're doing all the digging, my friend. You're even playing the racist card now. Seriously? Have you never seen packs of Thai people attack foreigners? Where have you been?

 

I was trying to be as polite as possible in reply to your previous offerings, but now that you've decided to be obnoxious, I'll just have to come out and say it straight...

 

I asked you earlier if you think the victim was stupid, naive or overconfident. You easily tick all 3 boxes.

 

Perhaps you are the victim. I can't see any other reason for your stubborn disability to understand basic common sense.  

You just can't help yourself, can you? 

It was you who played the racist card, suggesting that Thais have a propensity for violence.

I have remonstrated with taxi drivers, motorbike and songthaew, over the years and nothing more than words exchanged.

Only an idiot pushes it into violence. Most people prefer to walk away. That is common sense. So your suggestion is that most everyone is a violent thug, especially Thai is just....not really thought through...but yet you continue to dig. Why? A face saving measure?

Perhaps there is good reason as to why you have had different experience to me.

 

As an aside, many years ago, a steroid fuelled freak and two friends attacked me from behind. They took umbrage that a girl to whom I was talking to had ignored them(they were making some unacceptable comments and the main protagonist must have assumed that his even larger friend would ensure his protection. In fact I told his larger friend to take him away. His larger friend pretended to not hear me.) and I told them to go away. Motorbike taxi drivers quickly evened up the odds and I finished the job.

Motorbike taxi drivers networked and traced where they all lived .I sent the attackers a basket a fruit and advised them to keep out of trouble in the future.

One didn't take the hint and went back to the scene and kicked off, when I wasn't there. I was told he was taken away. I never saw nor heard from them again. I'll say no more than that.

 

I am neither stupid, naive or overconfident. But what about you?

Perhaps now emasculated and covering it up with body building? I know others like that. Big bodies, but oh so scared inside.

 

As I told you before...do not assume that you are the arbiter because you have seen or experienced a few violent episodes in Thailand. That is simply your biased opinion.

 

No one is suggesting that you remonstrate over every transgression. You learn to go with the flow. Doesn't excuse the thug behaviour. A thug is a thug. Not because he is Thai, Russian or British....

 

 

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On ‎4‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 1:20 PM, rogeroc said:

Tropo read your previous Post again and you will see that the above is not what you were saying. You said the small guy was 'squaring up' for a fight and he clearly was not. It looked to me like he was walking away before he was attacked. As such your Post comes across as supportive of a completely unnecessary act of aggression. Just because it maybe more dangerous to confront someone who has done wrong in Thailand it does necessarily mean that it is right or wrong for the confrontation. 

 

In general if nobody confronts bad actions those that commit the bad will do so more often. Let's hope the small guy recovers quickly and the big guy was arrested, at least the bad guy will think twice about doing the same again.

I agree  with rogeroc.  if we are gonna have all out fist fights to settle things. then I'm gonna start carrying numchucks

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