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Special Report: Phuket hospitals facing huge losses from uninsured patients

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padamphet    1
22 hours ago, smedly said:

If a Thai goes to the UK on holiday they will be treated in hospital like everyone else, the difference being that the likelihood of something happening to them is vastly different.

Well I am not sure about UK but in France (wich have one of the best social protection in the world according to Euro Health Consumer Index )  we don' t offer this for free, hospital will treat patient of course but will ask for them to pay the bill of course ! Same as in Thailand, nothing wrong here. And tourism have nothing to do with it , don't mix things up please. The money from the tourism don't go in the hospital pocket !? Are you asking for FREE HOSPITAL for all tourist ? I don't get it ....

 

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notmyself    2,649
2 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

Charge virtually the same premium and they would be creaming it. :smile:

 Thus creating a den of iniquity.

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possum1931    6,411
22 hours ago, smedly said:

This country makes a huge amount of money from tourists, it is a vital part of GDP and has been the case for decades, the problem is that there are no safety standards or at least they are not enforced making Thailand (no matter how much they claim otherwise) and extremely dangerous place to holiday.

 

The costs quoted in the OP are not only tiny but are very likely exaggerated, when you consider the actual cost in terms of labour and materials without profit it is no where near what they are quoting.

 

Yes people should have insurance when they go on holiday but equally there is a duty of care to keep visitors safe when they visit Thailand, when they are injured through no fault of their own then Thailand should be willing to step up and compensate. 

 

They have gotten away with this for far too long, they have had decades to improve things but instead stuffed the money in their greedy pockets showing no consideration to improve their health and safety.........and yes I for once agree in this instance of that commonly used Thai phrase - well if they hadn't come to Thailand it wouldn't have happened so it must be their fault, might be time for people to rethink their holiday destinations.

 

If a Thai goes to the UK on holiday they will be treated in hospital like everyone else, the difference being that the likelihood of something happening to them is vastly different.

 

 

So a few million here and there .................so what, you are making trillions in tourism.

Post of the month here.

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lvr181    1,728
10 minutes ago, notmyself said:

 Thus creating a den of iniquity.

Show me the den without iniquity :smile:

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dageurreotype    2,324
5 hours ago, RigPig said:

I understand your reasoning but at what point do people take the responsibility for their own actions?  Do you think it is OK for people to come here and expect free medical care when Thailand hasn't the infrastructure of countries like England or Australis etc.  The first thing you have to show to get into Aus is that you will not be a burden on the free medical system.  NONE of these people have or will pay tax here!  My medical insurance costs me $500US a month, and that is my choice, and it doesn't cover me for pre existing conditions either...

If you're White here it really doesn't matter how much responsibility one is prepared to take for one's 'own actions'. Mechanic messed up, brakes failed/wheel fell off and your vehicle ploughed into Somchai's pickup/someone's wall? You pay, no recourse to suing local mechanic. None. Death by bedbug spray? Ditto. And you get to pay tenfold more than anyone else. Together with the fact that no hospital here is regulated, they can charge what they like/think they can get away with. This together with Phuket having the most expensive hospitals in Thailand (even the same company, Bangkok Hospital charges 25% more here than their branches in the capital) make Phuket a very expensive/rip off tourist/expat destination.

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realenglish1    2,393

Here is how to solve the problem Charge each visitor 250 baht for their visit to Thailand as  medical insurance If there are 30 million vacationers that ads up to 

75,000,000 baht More than enough to cover the costs the hospitals incur from vacationers

 

This is not rocket science  But will the Thais implement such a scheme? Likely not . The reason is simple . Its too logical

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dageurreotype    2,324
1 minute ago, realenglish1 said:

Here is how to solve the problem Charge each visitor 250 baht for their visit to Thailand as  medical insurance If there are 30 million vacationers that ads up to 

75,000,000 baht More than enough to cover the costs the hospitals incur from vacationers

 

This is not rocket science  But will the Thais implement such a scheme? Likely not . The reason is simple . Its too logical

Lol. These posts suggesting visitors to this country cough up some fee to be used in case of medical emergencies. How long have you lived here? Do you seriously believe any such 'pot' won't immediately be plundered/found wanting because, well, farang are rich and can afford to lose it.

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Flustered    1,601
6 minutes ago, realenglish1 said:

Here is how to solve the problem Charge each visitor 250 baht for their visit to Thailand as  medical insurance If there are 30 million vacationers that ads up to 

75,000,000 baht More than enough to cover the costs the hospitals incur from vacationers

 

This is not rocket science  But will the Thais implement such a scheme? Likely not . The reason is simple . Its too logical

There would be an added benefit to charging tourists on entry or visa application, and that would be the exclusion of free loading backpackers who live off other ex pats and whatever else they can scrounge. Note I said freeloading and not all.

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1 hour ago, smedly said:

I know exactly what I would like to do with you

 

Probably never done a days work in your life retired on some mans hard work and got it all handed to you - I know your type 

You know absolutely NOTHING!!  Yes, I will

never have to look at a price tag for the rest of

my life, I live well and travel extensively,  and

I have earned every cent MYSELF.  

 

Part of the riff-raff....Are You!

 

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teddog    125

This of course is private hospitals,where they keep you as long as possible,for as much as possible,lock you up until they get their money,only way out is to be kidnapped.  Not talking here of govt. hospitals

 

  Everything possible to inflate that bill,prescriptions at 10xs the local pharmacy price...hijacked after accident to one of these damned places,once through their doors  credit card is maxxed

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notmyself    2,649
1 minute ago, padamphet said:

Well I am not sure about UK but in France (wich have one of the best social protection in the world according to Euro Health Consumer Index )  we don' t offer this for free, hospital will treat patient of course but will ask for them to pay the bill of course ! Same as in Thailand, nothing wrong here. And tourism have nothing to do with it , don't mix things up please. The money from the tourism don't go in the hospital pocket !? Are you asking for FREE HOSPITAL for all tourist ? I don't get it ....

 

 

Very interesting and thank you for the post. I'm British, we do effectively offer this service and it costs a shedload. Really good at saving lives but bad at getting paid for doing it. The health sector generates a good income for the UK but you are always going to have a percentage who don't pay so you factor that into the business model.  Think about what that means in a social construct insofar that many of the people couldn't pay, rather than being unwilling to pay. Universal health care in a True sense of the word universal..........

 

Universal health care, sometimes referred to as universal health coverage, universal coverage, or universal care, usually refers to a health care system which provides health care and financial protection to all citizens of a particular country. It is organized around providing a specified package of benefits to all members of a society with the end goal of providing financial risk protection, improved access to health services, and improved health outcomes.[2] Universal health care is not one-size-fits-all and does not imply coverage for all people for everything. Universal health care can be determined by three critical dimensions: who is covered, what services are covered, and how much of the cost is covered.[2] It is described by the World Health Organization as a situation where citizens can access health services without incurring financial hardship.[3] U.N. member states have agreed to work toward universal health coverage by 2030.[4]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

 

People here on holiday would be insured through their credit card anyway wouldn't they?

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Time Traveller said:

Why?

1. Because being forced to pay for something you don't want is extortion.

2. Because insurers exist only to make a profit,

3. Because when everyone is forced to pay for something, then guess what ? The price of that thing will go through the roof as the suppliers raise prices.

4. Because hospitals will know that their patients are not paying the bill and then they can raise their hospital bills because insurers will pick up the bill and just raise their premiums to cover the rising healthcare prices..

 

Anyone who lived in America during the Obamacare experiment knows all of these things.  

 

There is only one way to keep health care prices affordable AND stop patients walking out without paying. It's to make sure every patient pays upfront.

Sorry, as heartless as that sounds, you are either in business to make a profit or in business to help people. You can't mix up the 2  and then complain when both of them don't work out.  

If everyone is required to have travel insurance, than the

hospitals will be paid if there is an accident and every

traveler is protected in Thailand...Win Win situation.

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lvr181    1,728
15 minutes ago, realenglish1 said:

Here is how to solve the problem Charge each visitor 250 baht for their visit to Thailand as  medical insurance If there are 30 million vacationers that ads up to 

75,000,000 baht More than enough to cover the costs the hospitals incur from vacationers

 

This is not rocket science  But will the Thais implement such a scheme? Likely not . The reason is simple . Its too logical

"But will the Thais implement such a scheme? Likely not. The reason is simple. Its too logical"

 

And it is farang idea - not really welcome here, unfortunately.

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notmyself    2,649
25 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

Show me the den without iniquity :smile:

 

 

 

 

 

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