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Hi, I've been searching this site for info about rice harvesters.  Not much being said about the subject for quite some time, so I wonder if the subject is now a non-starter.  The reason I ask is that my Thai wife and I have lived in the UK for several years now and, since I've come up to retirement age, we will soon be ready to return to Thailand with a bucket full of money.  Father in Law owns some 100 Rai of rice fields in the Phitsanulok area producing two crops a year.  He has often bent my ear about buying the larger variety of harvester not only for his own use but for hiring out.  The suggested rates have been for two machines in the baht 2,000,000 area each and a wagon to carry them.  I guess that would be an outlay of 4.5 mil including spares etc. Since a good proportion of the money will be coming from my wife's hard earned cash I would need a pretty good reason to veto the idea if, indeed, I need to do so.  F-in-L is a well respected figure in the area so I don't think he would have a problem finding work for the machines but I know sod all about the subject ( my occupation is solicitor which is as far removed from rice farming as you can get) and wonder if there is anyone here who can advise regarding costs and viability.  Any serious input will be much appreciated.

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I know of one guy that runs 3 such machines. In Isaan so only one crop per year. My suggestion is you PM me if you are serious with contact details. I will pass it on and if he is agreeable he may contact you. Equally, he may will still view the forum and answer direct. Either way, it is a big investment and not to be entered into without informed advice. 

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I live in a mixed farming area, with a  fair  bit of  rice grown , some areas  can get 2 crops   year  , but some land  , especially   the light very sandy land can only get one crop a  year.

Over the past 5-6 years the harvesting job  has now  gone almost  100%  mechanical, using   rice   harvesters, so  the number of rice harvesters in the area  has grown 2-3 fold  , a lot  the big  Hino engined machines  , like the one you wrote about ,a lot  are   Kubota smaller and a bit cheaper.

The thing with Thailand is one person does something, next thing you know  every man and they dog are doing it ,no such thing as checking out the market first  ,to see if they is a market, they just go and do it and think afterwards.

In  our area  I would say  the market  is  full up  with  rice combines, and with the drought last  year anyone , ie most combine owners  who brought they combine  on  hp  would  not make a lot , who know what  the  future holds.

Around here  the price is  600 baht to combine /rie   , as a lot of  farms  would be  in the 15- 25 rie  bracket they would  be a lot of moving about, dead time .to make any  money  

 This is our area, Pit-lock  where you are going , being a  big rice  area ,I would say  it would be the same ?, I could be wrong,  I would come over in rice harvesting time for 2 weeks ,have a good look  at everything, then make up  your mind .

 

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KS types faster than me.:smile:

Last year there were comments on this forum about set prices/rai in provinces for harvesting and every field is not the same.

I have a DC-70G which i use for personal use and they stand you in around 1,3 million baht these days. Would i contract with it,no.

My advice would be to start with one for the farm.

Logistics wise on top of the harvesters and transport truck you may well need a service vehicle(for diesel,air compressor,parts etc and other trucks to transport the grain otherwise you could be relying on others to keep them moving. 

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With rice only fetching only 6 to 9 baht per kilo farmers are turning away from it or going out of business. Be very carful of investing the kind money you talk off. It will be you left holding the bag and not your wife family.

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22 hours ago, kickstart said:

I live in a mixed farming area, with a  fair  bit of  rice grown , some areas  can get 2 crops   year  , but some land  , especially   the light very sandy land can only get one crop a  year.

Over the past 5-6 years the harvesting job  has now  gone almost  100%  mechanical, using   rice   harvesters, so  the number of rice harvesters in the area  has grown 2-3 fold  , a lot  the big  Hino engined machines  , like the one you wrote about ,a lot  are   Kubota smaller and a bit cheaper.

The thing with Thailand is one person does something, next thing you know  every man and they dog are doing it ,no such thing as checking out the market first  ,to see if they is a market, they just go and do it and think afterwards.

In  our area  I would say  the market  is  full up  with  rice combines, and with the drought last  year anyone , ie most combine owners  who brought they combine  on  hp  would  not make a lot , who know what  the  future holds.

Around here  the price is  600 baht to combine /rie   , as a lot of  farms  would be  in the 15- 25 rie  bracket they would  be a lot of moving about, dead time .to make any  money  

 This is our area, Pit-lock  where you are going , being a  big rice  area ,I would say  it would be the same ?, I could be wrong,  I would come over in rice harvesting time for 2 weeks ,have a good look  at everything, then make up  your mind .

 

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Not certain if I have to eat my words  ,been  talking  to wife's  daughter  ,who is a rice farmer, last year she  had to wait   3 weeks to get there rice  harvested , her  and my misses said  they  is not enough  rice combines around ,never one  when you need one  syndrome,or is it  a  Thai organization  ,phone the contractor  up today  ,saying  I  want  you here  tomorrow,  do not seem to know how about next week ,they  did say some farmers  will up the rate  to say 7-800 baht  rie  to get there  rice  harvested  quickly   leaving  the poorer farmers  at the end of the Que

The wife said   a lot of combines  are owned by the   grain  buyer ,  who will have  his own truck, and take the crop  straight to the rice mill , but  a lot  of combines are just owner /drivers  ,as FJ  said  you could be  sat around  for a  long time  waiting for a  truck to arrive, to haul  the  crop , and after 3-4 phone calls he  has still not arrived , again  dead time , trucks  are  just a  6 wheel truck , plenty  of  second  hands  ones  around   .

As  i said  come  over here  and have  a good look  around  first 

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Thank you for your input.  This is exactly what I am hearing from F-in-L.  Since he is a very well known guy in the area I doubt if he would find difficulty in finding the work.  All I need to find out is the viability of the enterprise.

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Any agricultural contracting business can be viable if you have a good plan.I would say his biggest overhead will be carrying the diesel bill so a fair injection of cash flow will be required at the start.

It doesn't matter if your FIL is well liked or not.Of course is does help but will come down to cost and avalibility.

From my experience in this environment you have to show courtesy to clients so if your one day late and your booked up for 60 days,expect to make a lot of phone calls.Also go in with the attitude no job is to big or small as you will find the smaller clients show more loyalty.

 

IMO send your FIL to a SME workshop to draw up a business plan and see if it holds strength against a bank loan.If it does,happy days ahead.He sounds switched on to already be able to oversee a 100 rai rice operation and make it profitable.  

 

For that sort of set up and outlay i would be wanting to turn over $1000 a day a machine. 

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Just stay retired.?Best advice you will get here.!!.


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If you are serious, I would only buy one Rice Harvester at first and see how you get on with that with only 100 rai of rice (40 acres approx) as a new Harvester is  1 Million bt ish.

600 bt per rai x 100 rai => 60,000 bt x 2 times per year (if you can get two crops)  is 120,000 bt per annum contracting it out.

Don't think the saving is that though and that you are getting a 12% return.

There is the driver cost (OK it is your inlaw) and there is fuel and the moving cost of the vehicle and they do appear to need a lot of servicing and maintenance.

 

Contracting out is OK but as already said the machine needs to be moved so you need minimum a suitable trailer for the tractor  (I assume you have a suitable powerful tractor with 100 rai).

 

The most important point is that you have to realise that you, yourself, will get nothing in return on your investment !

 

 

 

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Japanese might have good rice harvesting equipment. You definitely want to wait until there is something introduced in Thai market that is very cost efficient before investing on one.

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If I had a Baht for every farang married to a thai woman that came to thailand with a bucket of money and very quickly found out the family poked a hole in that bucket and emptied it i would have more money than taksin.

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Maybe not original but the truth which most farangs dont want to face. If your father in law has 100 rai of rice, makes good money on it and is well respected then why doesnt he go to the bank and borrow the money to buy a combine if it is so easy to make money with it ??? Rice farmers here have been losing their asses the last few years and many are selling out or switching to sugar cane or cassava. Last year I think it was the gov stepped in and capped the price at 500 baht per rai for harvesting. And after your money is spent and the equipment is sitting or being trashed by the hired help (oh those repair bills too) you will be thinking what happened ? Now you also have to buy land and build a house another few mill there, oh and the new car you will have to have. But im sure the fil will make you a good deal on some of his land to build a house which you wont own to live in. You need to slow down and live here awhile and see for yourself how things work instead of listening to the fil. Its not his money to lose and thais love to spend other peoples money. Sorry to be so harsh and I dont think you will listen anyway. 

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