Deserted

A fine old mess

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Greetings. I cycle a lot everywhere and do thousands of kms each year (no comments on what you think of that please, its not what this post is about) Late last year, I had an accident almost right outside the Vaphiwadi Hospital. The voluntary service was called and took more there unconscious, where I was monitored. When I came round they said we think you should CT scan and a few other things. I said no and walked straight out.

 

Sadly on Din Daeng a similar thing happened on my bike on Din Daeng as a Garbage Truck slammed the brakes on and I couldn't get out of the way in time. Unconscious on the road for a second time the volunteer service was called. They then took me across town past many government hospitals to the Bungrumrad hospital whilst I was unconscious. The doctors there claimed I had a seizure and performed 3 scans, one on chest, one on neck and one on head, all of which showed nothing. So when I came round, they said oh here's your bill of 54000 baht. I walked straight out even though I was very bloody from the accident.

 

I did not ask to be taken there but some volunteer decided and I did not give consent for parts of my body to be scanned either. I did not appreciate regaining consciousness, feeling ok and then being hit by a massive bill. I spoke to staff on the phone and they were very understanding and took my side but side it is hospital policy to do whatever is necessary to save a life. I explained that the Vipawadi hospital did not do such a thing and monitored me, and that trained medics are more than capable of doing this. I then explained that not all foreigners are wealthy here and I genuinely can't cover that bill and I don't think I should because they carried out such actions without my consent. They were understanding and I have since spoken to many and decided I am not going to pay for scans that showed absolutely nothing, cost 15000 baht a time and I never asked for them. As I left they said the police station will hold my bicycle which I no longer have access to and depend upon. Am I in the wrong here? I never chose to go there and I did not ask them to carry out such actions. That's their policy not my requests in play. I should not be responsible for some volunteer who thinks I can just pick up any bill thrown at them. What's the best thing to do here?

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You don't need scans galore to save a life. Medics have done that for decades before they were in use and did it last year. I had no injuries on my chest or neck at all. Nothing, so why were they scanned, the scans showed nothing, I just had a cut above my eye and one on my chin. But they did claim I had a seizure. How true that is I don't know I was knocked out. It's not that I don't want to pay but that I can't. Not all of us have money lying about especially when I just had to pay school fees which wiped me out. The Vipawadee hospital behaved very differently.

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4 hours ago, thequietman said:

I think its clear that the meat truck took you to that hospital because he is paid to do so.

If it was me I suppose I would be a little pissed, however you can't put a price on life. Maybe go to the government hospital that he passed and find out the costs of the same procedures there and pay that to Bungrumrad hospital. I think its unfair to not pay anything.

This is your second time, take out some accident insurance. It's not that expensive. Good luck.

 its true you can't put a price on life but they could surely have monitored me like happened last time until I came round and then asked me what options I wanted to take. 

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4 hours ago, swissie said:

What if those scans would have shown a serious injury, that would have needed immediate treatment to save your live?


Not having health insurance and not having emergency funds to cover a hospital bill of US$ 1600 ? Hmmm.....
Another hospital-bill that will remain unpaid by a Farang?


Do you realise, that this is the reason that more and more Thai-Hospitals refuse treatment for Farangs, unless their ability to pay is established before they do ANYTHING AT ALL, even in an emergency?
Cheers.

This is why I am unsure of what to do but are scans going to show anything when I had no injuries at all on my chest or neck and only a cut above my eye? Was all that so necessary?

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3 minutes ago, Deserted said:

You don't need scans galore to save a life. Medics have done that for decades before they were in use and did it last year. I had no injuries on my chest or neck at all. Nothing, so why were they scanned, the scans showed nothing, I just had a cut above my eye and one on my chin. But they did claim I had a seizure. How true that is I don't know I was knocked out. It's not that I don't want to pay but that I can't. Not all of us have money lying about especially when I just had to pay school fees which wiped me out. The Vipawadee hospital behaved very differently.

Could be they got their commission from the hospital in question. OR: They figured a Farang has the means to pay for a "good" hospital, knowing that sometimes government hospitals "are not so good". We will never know.

Cheers.

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At a rough guess I'd say they acted beyone their remit.  I think only one of the mods could likely comment. 

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4 hours ago, swissie said:

Could be they got their commission from the hospital in question. OR: They figured a Farang has the means to pay for a "good" hospital, knowing that sometimes government hospitals "are not so good". We will never know.

Cheers.

I have been told that by several people and when I said it to the staff at the Bungrumrad they agreed with me. At another hospital I went to after the doctor said that the volunteer service will get bigger donations if they take you to private hospitals. 

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If I was loaded I would pay it but I really am not. I couldn't even pay half of it and have lost my transport as a result. It's put me in a difficult position and I did nothing wrong. I was the victim yet I get hit for heavy bills for work that achieved nothing and I never asked for. It just isn't right to me. 

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How about patying 5000 baht a month, and try to negotiate down.  You do owe something. 

 

A modest Thai Health policy would likely have covered most of this, and woulkd cost about 12000 baht per year.

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well I just started a new job. I signed the contract the day before and it has Bupa Insurance apparantly. Never had it before. WOuld the accident be covered, would they post date the accident by a week or two. I am told it won't be valid until next week and at present I am not covered. You are right I do owe something but nothing like what they are asking for in my opinion.

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i was not covered at the time of the accident but if they want to help me clear it, can't they post date the accident by two weeks? How much of it would Bupa cover?

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