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Britain will lose more from Brexit than EU, bloc's foreign policy chief says

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17 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

There's lot of stuff that you just wrote that is basically unsound. But there's one huge issue that you don't even seem cognizant of, much less address. It's this: if the UK can withdraw from the EU without suffering for it, then why should any nation stay in the EU if it costs nothing to leave?

 

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

Because they believe being part of the EU benefits their country and so have no desire to leave?

 

Otherwise, they're staying in the EU not because they support it, but because they're too frightened to leave.  Hardly a ringing endorsement.

 

21 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Why would they be too frightened to leave if the benefits of leaving outweigh the costs?

You asked the question "if the UK can withdraw from the EU without suffering for it, then why should any nation stay in the EU if it costs nothing to leave?"

 

I then answered that question by pointing out that if other countries believe they benefit by being part of the EU, then they would have no desire to leave - so it shouldn't matter to them whether the UK withdraws from the EU "without suffering for it".  Edit - as per your original post.

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1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

 

You asked the question "if the UK can withdraw from the EU without suffering for it, then why should any nation stay in the EU if it costs nothing to leave?"

 

I then answered that question by pointing out that if other countries believe they benefit by being part of the EU, then they would have no desire to leave - so it shouldn't matter to them whether the UK withdraws from the EU "without suffering for it".  Edit - as per your original post.

It's not a zero sum game either way.

 

One has to weigh the benefits and disadvantages and allow for "stiction" / inertia ( unless one is an irrational fanatic )

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1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

 

You asked the question "if the UK can withdraw from the EU without suffering for it, then why should any nation stay in the EU if it costs nothing to leave?"

 

I then answered that question by pointing out that if other countries believe they benefit by being part of the EU, then they would have no desire to leave - so it shouldn't matter to them whether the UK withdraws from the EU "without suffering for it".  Edit - as per your original post.

 

Just now, Grouse said:

It's not a zero sum game either way.

 

One has to weigh the benefits and disadvantages and allow for "stiction" / inertia ( unless one is an irrational fanatic )

Not sure what this has to do with my post?

 

But I agree insofar as a large percentage of populations have given up voting (hoping this will make their dis-satisfaction with all politicians clear) or can't be bothered to vote - for pretty much the same reasons....

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3 hours ago, oilinki said:

EU is a good club for us. It does need improvements, like any other collective society.

Generally there are more benefits  than negative aspects.

Who precisely is "us". If your referring to the Burocrats in Brussel, Career politicians or big business,then I'm inclined to agree with you.

Infortunately for your arguement, the E.U. Produced more negative aspects than benefits. And that is why the Brits voted out,and why an increasing number of the electorate in the remaining E.U.are also starting to see the light.

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12 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Who precisely is "us". If your referring to the Burocrats in Brussel, Career politicians or big business,then I'm inclined to agree with you.

Infortunately for your arguement, the E.U. Produced more negative aspects than benefits. And that is why the Brits voted out,and why an increasing number of the electorate in the remaining E.U.are also starting to see the light.

Us = Europeans.

 

Maybe it was bad marriage for UK, maybe not. I don't really care. This process has shown to the rest of us, how utterly dirty and inefficient UK politics really is.

 

I'm personally increasingly happy that UK is leaving EU. Let's get this over with so that both sides can start doing new things instead of talking BS.

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On 4/24/2017 at 8:16 AM, pitrevie said:
On 4/21/2017 at 9:49 AM, ROGER DUNN said:

Why is the EU making it difficult for the UK to leave is because they are losing a key contributor for supporting the non productive  country members and are fearful that they alone will not be able afford  resulting in [ fingers crossed ]  the Downfall of this ludicrous idea that Germany wants to Rule Europe . The UK  Will " Ride the Storm " with all the Non European Countries that are willing to do Trade with them . EU just get over it ,  the Club did not Work , we want out !!!!!! as I think many more will follow .

Well said! As usual just more doom-mongering by an EU "Official" without any factual evidence. 

 

"Let me tell you that to me all member states are important, equally, because one can be contributing more on some policies than others. But I think our British friends will lose more than what we lose," she said. 

 

Well Missy Mogherini, contributions are certainly not equal, so why not think about it some more?

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