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10 hours ago, rainwater said:

Why are you trying to tell people what they should believe 

It's a legal fact...innocent until proven guilty...

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4 minutes ago, thedemon said:

 

As far as I know, most foreigners sentenced to life imprisonment in Thailand do get out eventually. There are remissions for good behaviour and some are also granted on the King's birthday. I don't know what life really means in terms of years actually incarcerated but I think in the range of 20-25.

 

Also, many countries (incl. Spain) have bilateral prisoner transfer treaties with Thailand so that after serving a certain portion of their sentence, they will be transferred home to serve out the balance.

 

On the other hand, when someone is sentenced to death in Thailand, the sentence is automatically appealed to a higher court, even if the defendant doesn't want it. If the death sentence is upheld by the appeals court then the corrections department automatically starts the process of applying for a Royal pardon and even if that application fails, the prisoner may still eventually benefit from a general pardon. The result is that the vast majority of people that are sentenced to death have their sentences commuted to life imprisonment. 

 

In any case in the last few decades very few foreigners have been executed in Thailand and, as far as I am aware, no westerners have been.

 

So judging by history, this psycho will likely eventually have his death sentence commuted to life imprisonment and be transferred back to Spain some years after that.

 

But because the appeals will take years and years, he would have been considerably better off with a life sentence to begin with. Had he plead guilty that is quite likely what he would have got.

 

Talking about the Thailand justice system, you're totally right about this. I was mostly talking about "life without parole" sentences, for example, the ones commonly handed to top criminals in the US. When it comes to Thailand, most prisoners live in hope of a royal pardon every year.

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13 hours ago, BigBadGeordie said:

So what do you suggest? May'be lazer removal whilst on remand or perhaps, despite your protestations you are in fact judging him based on his "ink".

Then again, there's a whole lot of research that shows that heavily tattooed males are more prone to criminality and deviance than non-tattooed males. People with one or two small tattoos are no different from the rest of the population, but you start seeing a fairly strong correlation as the number and size of tattoos increases beyond that. [You just need to go inside a prison to see for yourself]. Of course, that doesn't mean that every heavily tattooed person is a criminal or deviant ... we're only talking in terms of probability.  

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16 hours ago, rainwater said:

Why is this monster smiling 

Because he knows there won't be any death sentence carried out...!

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17 hours ago, rainwater said:

Why are you trying to tell people what they should believe 

Not doing that at all........I'm speaking of what most legal systems are based on

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14 hours ago, ThaiWai said:

He's now been convicted and sentenced to death.  Lemme guess now it was a kangaroo court, right?  You hate authority so much you feel nothing for the victim and hope the accused is set free.  Check yourself.  A world without authority is a world you don't want.

Don't put words in my mouth!

 

I just happen to believe in a fair trial.....A world without fair trials is a world we all should not want

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18 hours ago, SiamBeast said:

I don't want to judge anyone, but coming to court covered in tattoos when you're the defendent in a criminal case is probably a bad idea.

I don't think he can remove the tattoos...

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9 hours ago, Prbkk said:

Of course it doesn't mean anything much to the wearer but there is still a certain stigma associated with tattoos, usually based on the assumption of criminality or , at the very least, an anti-social posture. Not saying it's right, just saying it's the way it is. It might change with the trendy types embracing tattoos, Angelica Jolie and the like.

But this guy chose body art to an extreme. His choice but it's inevitable that he will be judged for it in the context of the criminal conviction ( " you only had to look at him to know he's up to no good"....whereas put him in a collar and tie and he would look like a librarian).

The tattoo he has, presumably Angkor, reminds me of those in that Japanese movie ( the title of which I forget) about a woman killing her BF to skin him for his tatt. I vaguely recall the penis being lopped off as well ( maybe not, I was trying to look away from the screen). Scary.

The movie was called........'feeding the ducks'........starring Mrs Peeking Whin Yuu Sleepzing... 

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15 hours ago, SiamBeast said:

Yes, I know that he can't get "laser removal" before going to court. And yes I know that he will probably never get them removed, and I know that it is his right to have as many tattoos as he want.

 

What I'm saying is, it's hard to plead innocent to murder when you look like most criminals who are already in jail. Tattoos have nothing to do with the case, but how often do you see perfect law-abiding citizens who work respectable jobs covered in tattoos like that?

 

Just my thoughts. Maybe he's innocent. Jesus, you guys have to stop taking every sentence a member says and using it to trash them.

Then don't be so judgemental about something you know nothing about

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ID: 86   Posted (edited)

he looks very happy with his self, must be the comfort and the facilities at his new residence.

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Almost four whole pages about a post made on page one about Tattoos. You guys sure know what the priorities are.

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3 hours ago, fish monger said:

Because he knows there won't be any death sentence carried out...!

Perhaps, but 20+ yeats in a Thai slammer wouldn't be a reason to smile.  Death may be more desirable.

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20 hours ago, SiamBeast said:

I don't want to judge anyone, but coming to court covered in tattoos when you're the defendent in a criminal case is probably a bad idea.

He's in prison clothes. Guess he should take off the tats. :cheesy:

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21 hours ago, rainwater said:

Why is this monster smiling 

Because he is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty

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16 hours ago, darksidedog said:

No witnesses, so it is one piece of circumstantial DNA, a money transfer and the testimony of a cleaning lady who worked in his Condo complex. I suspect this will be going to the Appeal Court. To be satisfied of guilt beyond all reasonable doubt, I would have liked to have seen something a bit more concrete.

Agreed. When you know the Thai incompetence, you never be sure about any court judgement.

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It's incredible..... comments focus on a convicted criminal & his behaviour/appearance.

No mention of fact that he took the life of David Bernat in a gruesome act, then disposed of his body in a grizzly premediated way.

Justice served & RIP David Bernat.... 

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22 hours ago, Nasrullah said:

You do still believe in innocent until proven otherwise?

He is a convicted murderer. That is one kind of proof. You may doubt the verdict, or the integrity of the Thai justice system, but he has been found guilty in court. "Innocent until proven guilty" simply doesn't apply at this point.

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No witnesses, so it is one piece of circumstantial DNA, a money transfer and the testimony of a cleaning lady who worked in his Condo complex. I suspect this will be going to the Appeal Court. To be satisfied of guilt beyond all reasonable doubt, I would have liked to have seen something a bit more concrete.

Such as? Missing finger in his stomach?


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18 hours ago, Cranky said:

Tattoos !!!   Guilty beyond doubt. Lock up everyone with a tattoo, (no more tarts in Pattaya then) and release everyone in the pokey with no tattoos.  

 

Great society that'll produce.

Let's just say that in some cases based only on circumstantial evidence of what many consider the kind of crime only a seriously demented person would even take part in, an apparent extreme level of tattooing doesn't help portray the image of someone not capable of mutilating someone else's body. 

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18 hours ago, JerryinTH said:

 

My hairdresser and barber has tattoos from head to toe and works in a fancy salon in Central Embassy. Cut and shave will cost you around 2,000 baht. 

I consider this an honest and respectable job. Not like he is issuing traffic tickets or something. 

off topic, I am jealous of your hair if it requires 2000THB to cut. Mine, 80Baht and 5 minutes.

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Being convicted by Thai DNA evidence is as reliable as a girl in soi 6 telling you she has been faithful to you for a years absence.

 

And besides, after watching "Prison Break' I think he has a cunning escape plan !!

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22 hours ago, SiamBeast said:

I don't want to judge anyone, but coming to court covered in tattoos when you're the defendent in a criminal case is probably a bad idea.

It's a bad idea getting them in the first place, people deliberately disfiguring thereselves??

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18 hours ago, JerryinTH said:

 

My hairdresser and barber has tattoos from head to toe and works in a fancy salon in Central Embassy. Cut and shave will cost you around 2,000 baht. 

I consider this an honest and respectable job. Not like he is issuing traffic tickets or something. 

You think B2,000 for a haircut is "honest" and "respectable."  ???  He ought to get the death penalty for over-charging!   :cheesy:

 

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