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Video: "Negligent" foreign tourist on big bike slams into Thais

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^ All of secondary importance.

 

Primary importance when concluding fault is that one of them was a foreigner. 

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2 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

^ All of secondary importance.

 

Primary importance when concluding fault is that one of them was a foreigner. 

 

Are you actually sat on a bar-stool right now as you wrote that?... or did you just hear it from someone while in a beer bar ?.... 

 

This 'bar-stool' myth is perpetually peddled by the inexperienced... live here for a while and you will soon see that we are treated with exactly the same indifference Thai's treat each other... 

 

The foreigner is not automatically deemed at fault...  but an inexperienced and naive foreigner may be lead to believe so... In the majority of cases the path of least resistance is taken... 

i.e. the foreigner is paranoid and accepts blame too easily when the BiB allocate blame much in the same way they do when dealing with a Thai on Thai event... that is: blame is generally proportioned to whomever appears more readily able to afford the damages...   Until of course one party or the other decides to standup for themselves or be stubborn and refuse to accept blame, in which case the BiB usually deal with the facts and proportion blame or simply allocate a compromising 50:50.... 

 

Of course, there are a number of stories otherwise, however, in aggregate we are dealt with fairly or as fairly as any other member of society (Thai) is dealt with. 

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ID: 27   Posted (edited)

8 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Police urged all rental shops on the island to only rent bikes to people with licenses and to insist on helmet wearing.

Terrible accident true but can people see the irony in the above statement. To insist on wearing a helmet gee hop on the back of the bike behind him and watch him at all times. Mr. Policeman person come to Chiang Mai you would clean up enough in one day on helmet infractions in one day to retire. Unfortunately it would take a little work on your part. 

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ID: 28   Posted (edited)

Clearly bad driving. Undertaking (and at speed) then overtaking without due care. But don't be quite so quick to judge. Look closely, he never actually crosses the line, it's the "victim" vehicle that is stopped straddling it and actually sticking its nose into oncoming traffic, and on an unsighted bend. Plus it's a solid line and so should never be crossed at all (not that that matters in this country both with driving style and poor road design).

 

And if they're going to talk about helmets they should mention that the "victims" weren't wearing any either.

 

Like every case here in the real world blame can be assigned in some proportion on both sides.  In this case it's a lot more on the big bike though.

 

Personally I care more about why everyone has to be so blythely racist. It doesn't matter in the slightest that the rider was Caucasian (I despise that word Fa**ng) and it shouldn't either to the racist posters in this forum nor to the racist commentator in the video pointing out the "Fa**ng" (an object not a person [Thai language]) with his pencil as if his ethnicity is a salient point in the investigation, before pointing out himself casually walking over for a closer look at the gore (he even explains he's going in for a closer look).

 

These accidents happen everyday all across this country. Reducing them is a big challenge for the Kingdom and one that will require action on many fronts, but falling back on racial stereotypes is not one of them.

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3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Right up the arse of the car. Pulls out to overtake around a corner at speed. Note yellow line. No overtaking. See it all the time. Really bad. No bikesmanship at all just point an go

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I agree that the accident is 100% the fault of the motorcycle driver.

 

I'm not sure about the yellow line, though. Does it really mean "no overtaking", or does it mean "no passing over the line"?

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Negligent was putting very politely..

 

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Not a very mature, competent bike rider.  Bike riding anywhere, but especially here, is totally defensive.  I only ride a small motorbike, around the immediate neighborhood area, small sois.   Any further, out on the main roads/highway, I take the truck.

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It's true that he, 

1. Should have had a helmet on, and

2. Shouldn't have done the under take, however,

if you look at the video, he was on his side of the road and as such was in the right, although in Thailand he would've been in the wrong. 

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10 minutes ago, Pedro 58 said:

It's true that he, 

1. Should have had a helmet on, and

2. Shouldn't have done the under take, however,

if you look at the video, he was on his side of the road and as such was in the right, although in Thailand he would've been in the wrong. 

The bike he hit was on the correct side of the road as well, waiting for oncoming traffic to clear before turning right. 

 

He is demonstrating careless riding habits that are all too common here.  He was doing great, cocky, confident....right up until he slammed into a stationary object. 

 

I learned and practiced the "3 E's" in traffic/roadway management many years ago.  1. Engineering 2. Education 3. Enforcement. 

 

All 3 are woefully inadequate here, which is why Thailand has a dismal international reputation for road accidents.

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The surprising thing, to me, is that the motorcyclist waiting to turn right was on the crown of the road (correct) whereas most motorcyclists that I see sit in their lane on the shoulder looking both ways to wait for a safe opportunity to turn because even they know that taking position on the crown of the road and signalling their intent to turn is more dangerous. 

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9 hours ago, Thechook said:

Probably doesnt even have a bike licence as you dont need one to hire

So many Europeans coming here on holiday that has never driven even a scooter,renting a large motor bike and either harming themselfs or others in the process of trying to  

 

mimic Valentino Rossi.

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Of course the blame game isn't only for bikers.

 

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Police at the scene tried to twist it into being my fault, with witnesses saying I was one more lane across despite all the mess being clearly on my side of the road. He was too <deleted> to comment at the time.

 

Thanks to the video the matter was cleared up without issue, my insurer will cover everything (he caused about 100,000 baht of damages) and he'll spend the next few years paying off my insurer. He also got fined 400 baht."

 

 

 

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Very poor riding (almost certainly highly inexperienced) by the "big bike" rider.

 

Can anyone identify the model of bike?

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Looks like maybe a Honda CB500X.

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12 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said:

Looks like maybe a Honda CB500X.

Certainly a possible. (If that makes sense)

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2 hours ago, Pedro 58 said:

It's true that he, 

1. Should have had a helmet on, and

2. Shouldn't have done the under take, however,

if you look at the video, he was on his side of the road and as such was in the right, although in Thailand he would've been in the wrong. 

 

Even though he was on his side of the road, he was in the wrong hitting another vehicle in front of him.

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