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2 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Oh, and to add insult to injury . The Kleptocrats are using the funds of the ill gotten gains to buy Greece for pennies on the dollar.

 

Of course. But it was never going to be a sustainable economic environment in which tax evasion, early retirement with high pensions, low productivity and investment, and lack on innovation were accepted as norms.

 

Greece, for whatever reason, saw the Euro as offering some benefit to their ill fated model. It was in fact a "Trojan horse" that has allowed certain institutions and governments to get Greece on the rack. Ironic.

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3 hours ago, sanukjim said:

The money was loaned to both the banks and the Greek government with the stipulations that the Greek government reform many of their costly, extremely liberal programs.The Greeks just want the EU to keep giving them money while not changing their life style .Kind of sounds like the liberal democrats in The US. Gimme,gimme,gimme

Socialism's modus operandi.

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Solution - easy peasy.  Force Greece to sell a few of its islands.

They have many uninhabited (or mostly) islands that billionaires would buy if they had the opportunity.  

Like most posters I find it unacceptable that they are continuing to get away with their socialist liberal agenda.

Main reason they were 'invited' in was that Germany knew it would lower the Euro - their exports will crash if the Euro gets too high.

 

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Sacrifice?

me ?

no way ,that's for other people

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4 hours ago, sanukjim said:

The money was loaned to both the banks and the Greek government with the stipulations that the Greek government reform many of their costly, extremely liberal programs.The Greeks just want the EU to keep giving them money while not changing their life style .Kind of sounds like the liberal democrats in The US. Gimme,gimme,gimme

The money that was loaned to the Greeks was to pay the debts the EU incurred for bailing out the banks. God forbid banks that lend foolishly should be made to suffer for it.

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The money that was loaned to the Greeks was to pay the debts the EU incurred for bailing out the banks. God forbid banks that lend foolishly should be made to suffer for it.

If banks lend "foolishly" they're condemned for it. If they insist on the creditworthiness of needful borrowers, they're condemned for that, too. Taking gratuitous swipes at archvillain bankers is a game for children. God forbid borrowers should be made to pay their debts.
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4 hours ago, hawker9000 said:

Socialism's modus operandi.

Please don't confuse socialism with greed. While some so called socialists want to take rich people's money to spend on welfare for the lazy, that is not socialism. In a socialist society, people work for a decent life, but the rich pay more to equalise society.

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Please don't confuse socialism with greed. While some so called socialists want to take rich people's money to spend on welfare for the lazy, that is not socialism. In a socialist society, people work for a decent life, but the rich pay more to equalise society.

The Ladybird Book of Socialism.

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Please don't confuse socialism with greed. While some so called socialists want to take rich people's money to spend on welfare for the lazy, that is not socialism. In a socialist society, people work for a decent life, but the rich pay more to equalise society.

Please don't confuse socialism with common sense. In a socialist society, people work as little as possible for as much as they can get away with, and the "rich" are the elites with the unfettered power of the state to take whatever they want from whoever has anything left whenever they need a new mercedes or dacha. Time-tested and proven an abject failure every time.
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In Rome and suppose to take Greek ferry to Greece today which was cancelled. Greece is broke and many unemployed yet those with jobs desire to strike. This is a global world and life is not fair so strike if you wish but no loan and your country defaults into bankruptcy and third world status. It can get worse and no one is entitled to government benefits that the governments cannot afford. 

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Blaming the rich is always easy. Blaming others is always easy. Just don't spend more than you make and save a little money and quit blaming others. But people feel entitled to benefits and can't save any money because ......

when did grown ups cease to exist  in the world. 

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6 hours ago, hawker9000 said:


Please don't confuse socialism with common sense. In a socialist society, people work as little as possible for as much as they can get away with, and the "rich" are the elites with the unfettered power of the state to take whatever they want from whoever has anything left whenever they need a new mercedes or dacha. Time-tested and proven an abject failure every time.

Yes, northern Europe is an economic disaster zone. With a healthy thriving middle class.  

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On 5/18/2017 at 9:49 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Please don't confuse socialism with greed. While some so called socialists want to take rich people's money to spend on welfare for the lazy, that is not socialism. In a socialist society, people work for a decent life, but the rich pay more to equalise society.

What they had in Greece was not socialism  but Clientelism 

cli·en·tel·ism

ˌklīənˈtelˌizəm,ˌklē-/

noun

a social order that depends upon relations of patronage; in particular, a political approach that emphasizes or exploits such relations.

 

A difficult political concept to  understand unless one has being subject to it. And once a country goes down that road , difficult to get out until the predictable result. Argentina was an other country that went down that road with similar outcomes. 

In such a system supporters of a political party , usually  a dynastic party, are rewarded with favors should their party win. The dynasties are dependent   dispensing these "favors" for maintaining their power, and the opposition promising greater favors to dislodge the party in power and assume power.

A Vicious  Cycle  with a snowballing result.

This Political football was played by three dynastic political families ,Papandreou, Karamanlis and Mitsotakis 

This situation was amplified by the cold war . Communism's march toward the Mediterranean    was halted at Greece's northern boarder of  Albania,Yugoslavia and Bulgaria ,  and Greece became a political football in the game between the East and west.

Trow in the stew a Monarchy, deposition, and a military Junta , and here we are. 

 

  

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What they had in Greece was not socialism  but Clientelism 
cli·en·tel·ism
ˌklīənˈtelˌizəm,ˌklē-/
noun
a social order that depends upon relations of patronage; in particular, a political approach that emphasizes or exploits such relations.
 
A difficult political concept to  understand unless one has being subject to it. And once a country goes down that road , difficult to get out until the predictable result. Argentina was an other country that went down that road with similar outcomes. 
In such a system supporters of a political party , usually  a dynastic party, are rewarded with favors should their party win. The dynasties are dependent   dispensing these "favors" for maintaining their power, and the opposition promising greater favors to dislodge the party in power and assume power.
A Vicious  Cycle  with a snowballing result.
This Political football was played by three dynastic political families ,Papandreou, Karamanlis and Mitsotakis 
This situation was amplified by the cold war . Communism's march toward the Mediterranean    was halted at Greece's northern boarder of  Albania,Yugoslavia and Bulgaria ,  and Greece became a political football in the game between the East and west.
Trow in the stew a Monarchy, deposition, and a military Junta , and here we are. 
 
  

A lot of what you say rings a bell, in fact it sounds like wake up time in an alarm clock factory!

Can't put my finger on just where at the moment...
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14 hours ago, hawker9000 said:


Please don't confuse socialism with common sense. In a socialist society, people work as little as possible for as much as they can get away with, and the "rich" are the elites with the unfettered power of the state to take whatever they want from whoever has anything left whenever they need a new mercedes or dacha. Time-tested and proven an abject failure every time.

Have you ever lived in a real socialist environment? I have and it works. Everybody worked.

 

People confuse real socialism with the bastardised versions adopted by countries like Britain.

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