Jonathan Fairfield

Phuket Police charge British boyfriend for death of Sophie Anderson

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10 hours ago, cat handler said:

What planet are you from, killing someone by dangerous driving is a criminal offence in just about every country in the world. No it was not an accident, an accident would be if the new tyre of a well maintained bike had blown out while the driver was riding at the speed limit and caused the bike to swerve, this was avoidable so definetly no accident. Acts of stupidity and recklessness are not accidents.

Avoidable does not mean it was not an accident.

 

What planet are you from?

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I agree that riding a bike while pregnant in a foreign country is stupid, and that riding (in same situation) without a helmet is stupid.

 

I also agree that in Thailand a bike is not 'legally' obliged to keep left, however most Thais think bikes are required to travel on the left to allow other faster vehicles to pass. Most bikes travel slower than cars/trucks, and many drivers will push bikes left if they get in front of them.  They believe bikes must travel on left side of road, and that includes the BiB who cannot be argued with as those who have 'encountered' them will testify (bribed yes, but not argued with). 

 

As anyone who has driven in Thailand for a while knows, what is legal is irrelevant. And that is always the issue when tourists ride bikes in Thailand - they dont know the real rules. Was the guy at fault for not being on the left side and therefore she would have fallen towards the gutter and not under the truck?  Was the guy going quickly and overtaking cars and made a mistake?  Who knows. I hope the truth will come out quickly.

 

But as someone has already said - anyone driving/riding in Thailand without camera/s is taking a bigger risk than is already being taken by driving/riding in the first place.  

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Two hours ago on Sun Fruit Dan youtube account Danny Glass posted this video:-

 

He says he is not aware of any charges being brought against him. Neither do the British Embassy. What is going on? Fake news?

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4 hours ago, tukkytuktuk said:

Two hours ago on Sun Fruit Dan youtube account Danny Glass posted this video:-

 

He says he is not aware of any charges being brought against him. Neither do the British Embassy. What is going on? Fake news?

Maybe they're still looking into it. I came across this link on Google, this whole thing gets stranger by the day.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3568677/pregnant-brit-killed-in-thailand-motorbike-crash-told-pals-she-hadnt-felt-safe-around-lover-who-was-driving-death-scooter-for-a-long-time/

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2 hours ago, Goldieinkathu said:

 Had seen other info that they weren't getting along together..BUT i don't really think that there is any connection with this thread.

How long before one of the lurkers come out with a "planned death" story.?

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On 19/05/2017 at 5:21 PM, stevenl said:

Avoidable does not mean it was not an accident.

 

What planet are you from?

Actually yes it does, accidents are unavoidable. Being careless and negligent isn't an accident.

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On 19/05/2017 at 10:34 AM, happyas said:

 What part of this incident, was, in your mind, dangerous driving?

Driving too close to the vehicle in front not giving him time to react if that vehicle brakes, here we call it Tailgating and it's illegal too, in fact it's illegal in most countries in the world do you know why it's illegal? Come on have a guess!

 

i suggest you google Tailgating Laws if your unaware of this law, and if you are unaware of it please hand your license back.

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12 hours ago, cat handler said:

Actually yes it does, accidents are unavoidable. Being careless and negligent isn't an accident.

Just did a Google search for you, Webster resulted in  " an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury. " In the case at hand it was clearly unexpectedly and unintentionally. So an accident.

 

Now I'm sure you can come up with another definition, but to state unequivocally in order for something to be an accident it needs to be unavoidable is simply not correct.

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2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Just did a Google search for you, Webster resulted in  " an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury. " In the case at hand it was clearly unexpectedly and unintentionally. So an accident.

 

Now I'm sure you can come up with another definition, but to state unequivocally in order for something to be an accident it needs to be unavoidable is simply not correct.

No, it was not Unexpectedly, it would be expected a car or truck travelling down a road would at some point brake, it's also not unintentional because he intentionally was Tailgating the truck he was following and not leaving a safe brak No distance. that is the whole purpose behind Tailgating Laws in EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. Again, carelessness and recklessness actions are not accidents for the person involved, in this case the bike rider, as the out come of his carelessness was predictable and foreseen (again, why they have made laws prohibiting his actions).

 

It was was an accident for the both other trucks involved because they could not possibly foreseen the outcome of the bike riders actions.

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2 hours ago, cat handler said:

No, it was not Unexpectedly, it would be expected a car or truck travelling down a road would at some point brake, it's also not unintentional because he intentionally was Tailgating the truck he was following and not leaving a safe brak No distance. that is the whole purpose behind Tailgating Laws in EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. Again, carelessness and recklessness actions are not accidents for the person involved, in this case the bike rider, as the out come of his carelessness was predictable and foreseen (again, why they have made laws prohibiting his actions).

 

It was was an accident for the both other trucks involved because they could not possibly foreseen the outcome of the bike riders actions.

Your tailgate rant may have some merit if the guy had rear ended the pick up  truck, but he didn't.

Through his own fault tho' [inattention or lack of ability] he hit the brakes and fell off.

In the video he is at least a car length behind the pick up when he went down.

 

There may have been something slippery on the road surface because its not easy to make a scooter lock up and skid, and moreso, two up.

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On 5/20/2017 at 2:17 PM, Goldieinkathu said:

he seem like he talking about some sports video hes uploaded onto YouTube.( not the video in the sun) he did not seem that upset about the loss of his girlfriend/lover , he would of been better off not saying anything. came across as heartless.

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3 hours ago, happyas said:

Your tailgate rant may have some merit if the guy had rear ended the pick up  truck, but he didn't.

Through his own fault tho' [inattention or lack of ability] he hit the brakes and fell off.

In the video he is at least a car length behind the pick up when he went down.

 

There may have been something slippery on the road surface because its not easy to make a scooter lock up and skid, and moreso, two up.

You didn't read ANY definitions of Tailgating in any jurastrictions did you, the report into the fatality states

"Ms Anderson was riding pillion when Mr Glass lost control of the scooter they were riding on after he braked suddenly to avoid ramming into the back of a car, that he said had braked suddenly Monday last week (May 8)."

Tailgating Laws everywhere in the world state you must travel at a safe breaking distance behind the vehicle in front dependant on speeds and conditions. There is not a set distance like "you must travel no closer than 10 metres", it's a safe braking distance dependant on conditions, if he lost control because he had to slam on the brakes it's pretty certain he wasn't a safe braking distance behind the car.....Tailgating. 

 

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8 hours ago, cat handler said:

No, it was not Unexpectedly, it would be expected a car or truck travelling down a road would at some point brake, it's also not unintentional because he intentionally was Tailgating the truck he was following and not leaving a safe brak No distance. that is the whole purpose behind Tailgating Laws in EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. Again, carelessness and recklessness actions are not accidents for the person involved, in this case the bike rider, as the out come of his carelessness was predictable and foreseen (again, why they have made laws prohibiting his actions).

 

It was was an accident for the both other trucks involved because they could not possibly foreseen the outcome of the bike riders actions.

Total nonsense. But Im not getting into any more of an argument here with you about this.

 

Have a good evening.

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3 hours ago, cat handler said:

You didn't read ANY definitions of Tailgating in any jurastrictions did you, the report into the fatality states

"Ms Anderson was riding pillion when Mr Glass lost control of the scooter they were riding on after he braked suddenly to avoid ramming into the back of a car, that he said had braked suddenly Monday last week (May 8)."

Tailgating Laws everywhere in the world state you must travel at a safe breaking distance behind the vehicle in front dependant on speeds and conditions. There is not a set distance like "you must travel no closer than 10 metres", it's a safe braking distance dependant on conditions, if he lost control because he had to slam on the brakes it's pretty certain he wasn't a safe braking distance behind the car.....Tailgating. 

 

If you watch the video it didn't look to me like he was tailgating. Yes, he said he had to brake suddenly but maybe he just over reacted to seeing the pick  up brake causing him to loose control of the bike.The fact that he fell to the left is the reason he is alive to tell his tale, unfortunately for Ms Anderson she fell to the right and didn't stand a chance :sad:.

If it is correct that he has not been charged then I doubt the police think he was tailgating either.

Why all reports say he has been charged and yet he says he has not is a mystery.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Goldieinkathu said:

If you watch the video it didn't look to me like he was tailgating. Yes, he said he had to brake suddenly but maybe he just over reacted to seeing the pick  up brake causing him to loose control of the bike.The fact that he fell to the left is the reason he is alive to tell his tale, unfortunately for Ms Anderson she fell to the right and didn't stand a chance :sad:.

If it is correct that he has not been charged then I doubt the police think he was tailgating either.

Why all reports say he has been charged and yet he says he has not is a mystery.

 

 

Yes,spot on  and basically as i said in #111.

Some people just don't get it!

They seem to get "target fixation" and keep on raving on about that.

 

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