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Manning leaves U.S. prison 7 years after giving secrets to WikiLeaks

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thaibeachlovers    9,425
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57 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

There is a lot of it about these days,even small kids are being taken to specialists to ascertain whether or not...... seems a little weird to me but it's the zeitgeist we live in, 7 year old in handcuffs, boys barely teens raping girls / boys, children being bombed in far away places, we don't all have to eat what is served up from the kitchen.

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thaibeachlovers    9,425
1 hour ago, jenifer d said:

transgender is NOT a lifestyle, and certainly is NOT a choice;

hormones are cheap, and the gov't did NOT pay for any operations,

as a matter of fact just the opposite; they put her into solitary confinement...

and solitary confinement is tantamount to torture, hardly a happy lifestyle

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Of course it's a choice to use hormones or not.

I'm fat, and I want to get slim. Can I expect the government to pay for liposuction because it's interfering with my lifestyle?

I have no problem with her wanting to become a "real" woman, but I do object to other people having to pay the medical bills. Life is unfair- deal with it.

 

Leaving aside the wrongly convicted, I want criminals to suffer in jail. Not talking about physical torture, but depriving all prisoners of contact with other people would seem reasonable for punishing bad people. The worst criminals of course. Minor offenders should never be in jail in the first place.

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thaibeachlovers    9,425
9 minutes ago, sandrabbit said:

In principle I disagree with what Manning did but after seeing the gun camera footage from an Apache helicopter in Iraq killing civilians including members of the press I think he/she did the right thing. If the US wants to stand up as a moral authority it has to acknowledge the 'mistakes' its military has made. 

The military will never willingly acknowledge mistakes. It has to be dragged kicking and screaming.

I served and I know the mentality. One of the reasons I resigned early.

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grumbleweed    1,083
1 hour ago, jenifer d said:

you should study current science, and actual reality, as opposed to biased and prejudiced personal opinions; but then again, maybe you don't have sufficient brain cells to understand this

and perhaps you should take a course in literacy

Try re-reading my post and you'll see we are in agreement

I'm suggesting that those who consider sexual and gender orientation to be a personal choice are retarded. As far as this issue is concerned, you will not find a more unbiased person

BTW, I have a BSc (2011) is that current enough for you?

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sandrabbit    814
9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The military will never willingly acknowledge mistakes. It has to be dragged kicking and screaming.

I served and I know the mentality. One of the reasons I resigned early.

The other thing that came out from the videos released was how good the US military's gun cameras are, so how good are their surveillance cameras?. I don't know what service you were involved in but some of the videos released by Manning were incredible to me, I couldn't believe the capabilities or how accurate the AC130 Spectre aircraft was even in the dark.

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Kabula    1,131
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I'm really sick and tired of all these reality, freak shows.

 

Many confusing printed alleged facts that are spun with words taken out of context with everyone angry over their own confused, perception based on bull shit.

 

He is probably more miserable now and the older he gets the more freakish he will look.

 

 

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elgordo38    9,505
11 hours ago, Credo said:

Well, there is now a vacant cell at the prison and there are a lot of candidates in Washington who will soon be eligible to occupy it.   

There you go again the Trumpeteers were having a field day and then you had to mention the above. Party pooper. 

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Scott    11,585
6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The taxpayer should NEVER be required to pay for personal lifestyle choices. Can anyone on here imagine the Thai government paying for lady boy's operations?

I don't think she should have been jailed as long as she was, but they should not have paid for the hormones. Regardless of the wrongness, IMO, of the conviction, prison is for punishment, not a happy lifestyle.

That choice was not necessarily a choice.   The decision was made with gov't medical personnel.  

 

The problem with incarceration is that you remove a lot of the ability for people to make choices.   The gov't when it incarcerates people has a responsibility to care for inmates.  

 

How much and how extensive is up for discussion, but the fact remains that medical services are provided for inmates.  

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thaibeachlovers    9,425
3 hours ago, grumbleweed said:

and perhaps you should take a course in literacy

Try re-reading my post and you'll see we are in agreement

I'm suggesting that those who consider sexual and gender orientation to be a personal choice are retarded. As far as this issue is concerned, you will not find a more unbiased person

BTW, I have a BSc (2011) is that current enough for you?

I am well aware that sexual and gender orientation is hard wired in in the womb.

I'm not talking about that. 

 

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soalbundy    7,030
11 hours ago, Jingthing said:


Kids today!
A sentiment as old as humanity ...

I am open to that, the world has always shown its evil side and its confused side. It seems to me that there are more transgender issues today than there used to be, chemical pollution ? but perhaps we are just hearing more about it due to improved media coverage. It does seem to be trendy though, bringing up children to be 'gender neutral' whatever that means, and dragging children to specialists because a small boy wants to be a princess for a time. When my son was 4 he decided to wear a skirt for a couple of days,something that his Thai grandmother and my wife found amusing, i was horrified and put a stop to it but spoke to him asking why, turns out that he was trying to identify with his then 15 year old step sister who he adored and respected. I called her in for support and she explained to him that she loved him as he was, as a boy, after that the skirt phase disappeared and he went back to how he really was, smashing his toy trucks together. 

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LannaGuy    7,325
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12 hours ago, Fulwell53 said:

It appears you could

oh Retired Army Brig. Gen. Robert A. Carr, the government’s first witness in the sentencing phase of Pfc. Bradley Manning’s court-martial, testified that Manning’s disclosures to WikiLeaks endangered U.S. ground troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

Presumably you are not a General nor are privy to the intelligence that this General talks to so be careful what conclusions you jump to.

 

also: 

 

Michael Kozak, a former ambassador to Belarus, told the court on the third day of Manning's sentencing hearing that his office was involved at least twice with foreign informants who had to be moved because there was "very genuine concern" they would be killed by "non-state actors" because of the leaks.

 

Kozak said the WikiLeaks publication had a "chilling effect" on people who were working to "promote the advancement of human rights" in their country.

 

Many more witnesses, much more info but DYOR

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