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From the Conservative manifesto "Commitment to "bear down on immigration from outside the EU" across all visa routes"

Looks like settlement visas are going to get a whole lot more difficult.

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I attended a manifesto launch presentation at my local CA last night (I am a long-standing Conservative Party member) and, yes, measures will be introduced in an effort to sharply reduce non-EU migration to the UK.  No specific details were presented other than that there will be an increase in the financial requirements for family settlement visas and English language requirements will be 'tightened up'. Reduction in number of student visas issued.  Full details sometime after the election I guess.

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10 hours ago, HauptmannUK said:

 and English language requirements will be 'tightened up'.

Fine I suppose if one is North American, Antipodean or South/West African but not so good for the Thai. 

In the circumstances, I shall be writing soon to General Prayuth asking that the Thai reciprocate this discrimination and compel British visitors who wish to settle in Thailand as spouses or as retirees to be conversant and literate in Thai to a competent degree.

 

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1 hour ago, Seekingasylum said:

compel British visitors who wish to settle in Thailand as spouses or as retirees to be conversant and literate in Thai to a competent degree.

 

That would eject about 99.9% of them out of the country.

 

Mind you, a good few of them have become so used to speaking in a weird pigeon English that they would be refused entry  into the UK.

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I think what the public fail to take into account is if you allowed no non EU settlement visas at all it would hardly dent the immigration total figure but British sponsors are nothing in the scheme of things so losing a few votes lost offset against the votes that they will get. This is where I differ here from others on this site, as soon as to accept the premise that denying a settlement visa on the basis or earnings or language skills is not against Article 8 of the EHRC then anything goes. Uping the earnings limit to £186,000 per year and making the English language requirement a first degree are all possible.

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2 hours ago, Seekingasylum said:

May really is an evil nasty witch.

I just had to check whether w was next to b on the keyboard and that was a mistype. I suppose it is still a mistake that you could make.

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2 hours ago, Seekingasylum said:

Well, given on current statistics 42% of all British working men and 52% female would not qualify as sponsors of settlement visa applications and at any one time some 15,000 children are separated from one parent or other because of May's nasty, mean-minded policies, I rather think fairly soon no retired person on any reasonable pension will be able to sponsor a return to the UK with his wife or partner. They better accept that in the event of a life-threatening illness they will have the choice of dying alone in the UK getting some treatment or other or staying abroad where the medical care may shorten life but at least one will die in the company of their life's chosen partner. Or, why not consider the many TEFL teachers who have married and accepted children from a previous liaison as their own who now wish to return to their homeland after a decade away who will have no alternative but to abandon their families until such times they are able to establish themselves in the UK, a process that could take months or even years.

Is it possible to be a Tory and a decent human being too? I don't think so.

May really is an evil nasty witch.

All UK governments and their leaders etc, are nasty and evil where the working class are concerned.

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2 hours ago, Seekingasylum said:

Fine I suppose if one is North American, Antipodean or South/West African but not so good for the Thai. 

In the circumstances, I shall be writing soon to General Prayuth asking that the Thai reciprocate this discrimination and compel British visitors who wish to settle in Thailand as spouses or as retirees to be conversant and literate in Thai to a competent degree.

 

Thailand depend on us retirees to boost their economy, if they started going through with learning Thai etc, the politicians pockets would get lighter, and there is no way they will allow this.

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24 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

Thailand depend on us retirees to boost their economy, if they started going through with learning Thai etc, the politicians pockets would get lighter, and there is no way they will allow this.

They were doing well before you (and your self importance) came here and they will continue to do well after you are gone.

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It needs to be remembered by some that trip along the road to making family immigration to the UK more difficult and more expensive was begun by Labour.

 

It was Labour who introduced a new fees regime which meant that the fees charged are considerably more than the cost of processing the application.

 

It was Labour who introduced the principle of annual fee increases well above inflation.

 

It was Labour who introduced language tests and the LitUK test.

 

Labour also had plans, had they won in 2010, to introduce stricter financial requirements very similar to those introduced by the Coalition in July 2012.

 

Did Labour made any promise in their 2015 manifesto to ease the requirements, especially the financial requirement, for family migrants? Not that I can find.

 

They have pledged this time to scrap the income threshold, they have not, as far as I can see, said what will replace it. Nor have they made any commitment to reduce the exorbitant fees to a level more in line with actual costs.

 

Of course, some MPs, of all parties, are on our side; particularly on the matter of the financial requirement. I have previously mentioned the Parliamentary inquiry into new family migration rules, which reported in June 2013, and the matter is still of concern to some MPs, as this extract from Hansard on 30/1/17 shows.

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Stuart C. McDonald

..........These rules are, essentially, the Prime Minister’s; she introduced them (when she was Home Secretary) and she made these migrants subject to the net migration target. What does it say about the Government that they have an official target that encourages the Home Office to pursue and implement policies that reduce the number of husbands, wives, children and parents able to come into this country? That is little short of appalling and shocking. I hope that the Minister or the Home Secretary will take away the powerful critique made by hon. Members today and will tell the Prime Minister that it is time to stop hurting families and children..........

Unfortunately, at present not enough MPs, of all parties, care enough about this matter to make any attempt to force a change. They don't care because most of their constituents, if they care at all, want to see immigration reduced and don't care how that's achieved. Even when it means breaking up families who can't meet this inflexible financial requirement yet are perfectly able to support themselves without recourse to any public funds; which they're not entitled to anyway.

 

Finally each quarter roughly half the immigrants to the UK come from the EEA. While a member of the EU there is little the British government can do about this. What will happen after Brexit remains to be seen.

 

Of the other half, most are students or workers; only around 20% are family migrants.

 

Like her predecessors, Labour and Tory, May is going for the easy target; even though she must know it's a target which will have little effect on the overall figures.

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It was May who introduced the Appendix FM rules in 2012 and created the Skype generation of broken families, it is she who has ratcheted up the fees enormously to a degree that they are now punitive and act as a deterrent. It was she who withdrew all appeal rights. It is she who will ensure EU citizens are treated the same as the rest of the world and Britain will once again become isolated form the world and she with her grammar schools and devotion to her white Anglican God shall take England back to the 1950s.

The woman is insane now with an emerging power she never dreamed of wielding before her bizarre election as the default leader. 

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The main reason that so many Brits want to see immigration reduced is that Blair and co allowed unfettered access to anybody who wanted to come from anywhere in the world. The number of illegal immigrants and failed asylum seekers and the news channels showing the camps at Calais week after week  and the fact that the very fabric of many parts of the country was totally changed that has led us to this point.

 

I remember William Hague's speech that was roundly condemned as racist which would sound quite mild in comparison to what many politicians have to say nowadays.

 

Sure. Blair and co back pedalled well into their 13 years in power and started to introduce powers to limit the number of  people coming from outside the EU. A total waste of time as anybody can come from the EU. 

 

That can now change now we are leaving the EU.

 

I remember idly thinking of working in the US, Oz or Canada when I was around 19 and finding that without medical or teaching or similar professional qualifications that those countries wouldn’t have me. Those countries have had immigration rules for decades and it's about time that the UK got to pick and choose the brightest and best immigrants that we want and not allow just anybody to come here and take advantage of the UK's generosity.

 

I have my views on the current visa system and believe that if a UK citizen has the temerity to fall in love with, say, a Thai national the visa rules should be different.

 

 

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