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NCPO: Our biggest achievement is peace

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ID: 31   Posted

11 minutes ago, JAG said:


The surveys are not believed because they are written by/conducted for those with a very soecific agenda.

What you mean is that they don't fit your agenda. Has there been even one person involved in those surveys who claims that they witnessed manipulation? How do you maintain secrecy in a conspiracy involving so many people?

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ID: 32   Posted

1 hour ago, yellowboat said:

Given circumstances, the Thai people, as a whole, have acted with restraint.  They deserve far more credit for their behavior than they have gotten. 

Normally agree with you but not on this one, quite the opposite but i cannot explain why here 

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18 minutes ago, Denim said:

According to Suthep , former member of Democrat party and his Democrat party colleagues who quit the party to protest and shut down Bangkok , all the unrest was deliberately planned and actuated by himself and the military just to create a scenario where a coup would be justified.

 

The plan succeeded and now they can congratulate themselves for bringing peace and an end to strife that they themselves orchestrated.

 

Unfortunately for the democrats , their erstwhile plotters have decided to stay on and not shoehorn Abhisit back into his puppet leadership.

 

They must be miffed.

Your claim that the violence was orchestrated denies the fact that there were 2 sides involved. Of course the UDD/red shirt violence was inevitable, that is what they do, what they were created for.

It is hypocrisy to claim that people are now denied the opportunity to speak out, while also claiming that protest against the criminal excesses of PTP were simply to induce violence.

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ID: 34   Posted

54 minutes ago, halloween said:

Has it occurred to you that the Thai people are nowhere as upset about the current situation as some seem to believe? Or that they actually prefer having the red shirt thugs put back in their box?

Of course, there are plenty of surveys that convey that information, but they can't be believed if they don't fit the agenda.

It's not scientific but I mix with a broad spectrum of Thais and I have never come across ONE yet who fit's your theory and most reminisce about the past and certainly are not happy about the present. That is not so much about loss of democracy but about economics, people being locked up, no freedom of speech, submarines etc.

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ID: 36   Posted (edited)

I guess if military juntas were some sort of successful form of government there would be a lot of them.

 

Not sure, but I think Thailand may be the only current military government?

 

 

I think any rational person would stipulate that a Military-led coup/government, which grants itself unlimited power and amnesty, will strike fear into a populace and "rule" in "peace".

 

If "peace" is your only goal then a Military government may be "ideal"?

 

Somehow protests lead to a reasonable transition in South Korea, without the need for the military. 

 

 

 

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ID: 38   Posted

1 hour ago, halloween said:

Has it occurred to you that the Thai people are nowhere as upset about the current situation as some seem to believe? Or that they actually prefer having the red shirt thugs put back in their box?

Of course, there are plenty of surveys that convey that information, but they can't be believed if they don't fit the agenda.

During the US revolution only 14% of the population fought British rule.  Usually it is a small number of people who do awful things or wonderful things.  The rest just graze like farm animals waiting for the outcome.   

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ID: 40   Posted (edited)

2 hours ago, halloween said:

Quite. how dare they protest about the criminal behaviour and excesses of their government. PTP was absolutely right sending the private militia to discourage protests.

One thing though, wasn't THAT putting a gun in someone's mouth and telling them to be happy?

 

When governments and people talk about truth, freedom and achievements in Thailand; be they Reds / Yellows / Watermelons / PTP / UDD / Suthep or the military and the full range of hues, colours and ideologies in between. There is only one real indefatigable reality here. 

 

In Thailand truth and freedom lives in the warm  barrel of a loaded gun.  And you the people will accept that truth and embrace your freedoms, even if you disagree with how the truth is manipulated and your freedoms are curtailed. 

 

For the optimist in me is shows how far Thailand must rise to overcome the many complex challenges Thailand faces to become a great country. Whilst the pessimist in me feels it shows how far the country has sunk. 

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ID: 41   Posted

2 hours ago, halloween said:

... thugs being allowed to run amok without fear of prosecution.

...and when exactly did that stop?

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ID: 42   Posted

27 minutes ago, JAG said:


Very simply, ask the people that understand the implicit risks in not giving the answers you want.

Admit it, your conspiracy theory sucks. How do you secretly intimidate thousands of survey respondents and keep it a secret?

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ID: 45   Posted

1 hour ago, bsdthai said:

Violence has been achieved! Violence is now the rule of law in the country as far as i see. With no free speech, corruption out of control, pretend police force, bankrupt hospital and so on yet a bunch of new subs it seems Violence and the threat of is the way it is and its teaching average joe to do the same to get what they want.

I say the calm before the storm is not to be confused with peace. 

Good job knob!

it IS interesting; thailand is a mess and the myopic current leaders saying garbage

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