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British dual nationals asked to change names when applying for a new British passport

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1 hour ago, Eff1n2ret said:

That is a point I was thinking of making in my letter to HMPO, whose attitude does appear like arrogance to me.

 

I read on another site a complaint by a German who had lived in the UK for 30 years and had taken British citizenship under a name like John Smith that he felt allowed him to blend in to British society better than his birth name.  When the time came to renew his British passport he was forced to change back to his birth name of Johann Schecklegrueber or some such, since he wanted to keep his German nationality in view of Brexit and was not allowed to change to his British name in his German ID card and passport.  There have also been a lot of people who had to cancel holidays and business trips because they could not get this sort of nonsense done in time and no general warning has been issued by HMPO.  Outrageous arrogance and disdain for the citizenry in a country that openly allows and even encourages dual or multiple citizenship.  

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On 5/30/2017 at 4:30 PM, Arkady said:

An interesting question would arise for a Thai who naturalised as British and changed his or her gender officially while living in the UK.   The passport office would no doubt tell them to go and change their gender in their Thai ID card and passport before applying for a British passport. Since  this is impossible under Thai law, their only option might be to change their gender back again in the UK, possibly transforming an officially opposite sex marriage into a same sex one.    

I doubt that would affect many people as the next generation of British passports are more than likely going to be genderless.

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11 hours ago, Drago said:

I doubt that would affect many people as the next generation of British passports are more than likely going to be genderless.

Not quite.

 

The result of a case currently going through the courts could mean that people would have the option of a gender neutral passport if the wished. An option already enjoyed in some other countries.

 

Campaigner takes gender-neutral passport case to High Court

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The Home Office is facing a challenge to provide gender-neutral passports to UK citizens at a High Court hearing on Wednesday.

Campaigner Christie Elan-Cane, who has given evidence to Parliament about transgender equality, believes the current passport application process in Britain is inappropriate.

The push for a judicial review comes after Canada last month became the 10th country to offer citizens gender-neutral travel documents. Ireland, Australia, Denmark, Germany, Malta, New Zealand, Pakistan and India had already done so.

Under the UK’s current process, applicants must state whether they are male or female. If the new proposals were introduced, the option “X”, which stands for unspecified, would be added to the M or F options.

 

Maybe someone with the funds and/or backing could start a similar case over this stupid and pointless name rule for dual nationals?

 

How about a Parliamentary petition? 10,000 signatures will get a response, 100,000 and it will be debated in Parliament. Might not change anything, but get 10,000 signatures and at least HMPO or their masters at the Home Office would have to come up with some sort of explanation for this rule.

 

 

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2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Not quite.

 

The result of a case currently going through the courts could mean that people would have the option of a gender neutral passport if the wished. An option already enjoyed in some other countries.

 

Campaigner takes gender-neutral passport case to High Court

 

Maybe someone with the funds and/or backing could start a similar case over this stupid and pointless name rule for dual nationals?

 

How about a Parliamentary petition? 10,000 signatures will get a response, 100,000 and it will be debated in Parliament. Might not change anything, but get 10,000 signatures and at least HMPO or their masters at the Home Office would have to come up with some sort of explanation for this rule.

 

 

 

I think the problem is that HMPO slyly and deliberately take people by surprise when they come to renew their passports.  Most probably have to find a way to comply as quickly as possible, however inconvenient because they need a British passport.  Then once its done its done.  I guess it is part of Theresa May's unenviable legacy from her 6 years at the Home Office.   

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On 5/30/2017 at 1:24 PM, Arkady said:

Yes and, as a dual national, she would not be eligible to apply online

You said her Filipino nationality had automatically been revoked.

Therefore she wasn't of dual nationality.

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10 minutes ago, MaeJoMTB said:

You said her Filipino nationality had automatically been revoked.

Therefore she wasn't of dual nationality.

 

The situation for Filipinos is that their Filipino nationality gets technically revoked when they are naturalised as aliens but there is a process for them to get it reinstated through an oath of allegiance.  Thus she was temporarily deFilipinoed with reinstatement pending.

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There is one other option. The Thai wife keeps her surname and the non-Thai husband changes his surname to match her (Thai) surname.

 

If the wife gains dual British nationality then there will be no problems as her Thai name and her married name match.

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17 minutes ago, blackcab said:

There is one other option. The Thai wife keeps her surname and the non-Thai husband changes his surname to match her (Thai) surname.

 

If the wife gains dual British nationality then there will be no problems as her Thai name and her married name match.

 

You can plan like this, if you about the problem years in advance but the problem is that most people are taken by surprise when they apply for a passport.  If you have the luxury to plan ahead the wife can change her name to husband's surname in Thailand very easily and cheaply. Most of these couples are living in the UK, in order for the wife to get British nationality, and I would think they would be better off with a farang name in that case. Imagine having to keep explaining why you have a lengthy Thai surname, as a Brit living in the UK, and having to spell it out over the phone.  

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