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19 hours ago, eeyang wah said:

That's not my argument - I don't think it's ok for people to drive over the speed limit. I'm saying it's not ok to hog the right lane just because you believe you are travelling at the speed limit. Especially when you can't even make up your mind what is an acceptable speed limit to you! Is it 70, 75 or 80? All 3 seem to be fine in your book! 

 

Edit: My point is that the rule is very simple: keep left unless passing, regardless of your speed. If everyone just followed that one basic rule the roads would be much less congested and much safer. Find me one person that disagrees with that!

 

 

Exactly, hate these brainless people staying in the right lane thinking that it's their right. IT IS NOT. Nobody gas any reason to stay in the right lane. But if even foreigners don't know this, it's so hopeless to expect that Thai will know it before we all die...

 

 

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22 minutes ago, gemguy said:

It seems the Mercedes Benz driver was up set with the Cam vehicle driver.

You see cam vehicle driver moved over to the fast lane and proceeded to drive considerably faster than the slower traffic in the left lanes....but, it turns out to be considerably slower than the Mercedes driver who was most likely driving much faster still and came up from behind the slower moving cam vehicle driver.

You can assume the cam vehicle driver began to move over to the middle lane because the Mercedes driver was on his tail so he moved over to allow the Mercedes driver to pass...and give way.

You can assume the Mercedes driver is pissed off  because the Cam Vehicle driver was, in effect, blocking his way from going as FAST as he was trying to go in the fast lane....but,  in effect, considered speeding excessively.    

So rather than simply get past the cam vehicle driver the Mercedes driver cuts in front of him and stops momentarily and flashes his brake lights as the means to let the cam vehicle driver know that he interfered with his much FASTER driving ( speeding) being done in the "fast lane"

Here in Thailand the drivers commonly use the fast lane to speed excessively..... when they can..... and expect everyone else using the faster lane to give way to their much higher speed and get out of their way....... believing any vehicle already using the fast lane and already traveling faster is interfering with their much higher speed still and in the wrong and to be admonished for not driving as fast as them.

In other words they think if you do use that higher speed "fast lane" then you should also be driving as fast as they are and in effect excessively speeding...or why use that lane at all..... is their mentality.

In their mind "that lane" is the race car, motor sports lane and you should not be in that lane unless you use it the same way they do and travel really fast ..like 150 to 200 Kilometers per hour.

This is the common Thai driver mentality that causes accidents by the percentage of Thai drivers that basically do what they want and expect the other drivers to see what they are doing and forced to give way or have to accommodate their often risky and often reckless and dangerous driving conduct.  

Cheers

 

 

Do you really think that you know anything ?

 

OF COURSE the fast lane is for us driving German cars who want to go fast !

 

OF COURSE anybody staying more than few minutes in the right lane when there is space on the left lane is wrong !

 

OF COURSE the fast lane is made to drive faster than people in other lanes !

 

So incredible is you can believe that the BS you wrote is right !

 

 

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gemguy    1,450
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48 minutes ago, bangkokairportlink said:

 

 

Do you really think that you know anything ?

 

OF COURSE the fast lane is for us driving German cars who want to go fast !

 

OF COURSE anybody staying more than few minutes in the right lane when there is space on the left lane is wrong !

 

OF COURSE the fast lane is made to drive faster than people in other lanes !

 

So incredible is you can believe that the BS you wrote is right !

 

 

Another person who insinuates he drives like the Thais and wonders why accidents happen with that kind of mentality and attitude.

The right lane is not meant for excessive speeding as YOU are adamantly implying .

It is meant to be used if the left lanes are occupied by motor vehicles traveling at less than the speed limit.

The cam vehicle used the right lane to pass the slower vehicles seen in the left lane and middle lane

 Eventually, as seen in the video, the cam vehicle does began to move over to the middle lane to give way to the Mercedes driver who was traveling much faster ( no doubt about it )  ... and wants to pass by at a even higher speed and considered dangerous and reckless and illegal.

 

*The lane on the right is a passing lane not a speeding lane or go as fast as (you) want lane...as you are explicitly implying.

The lane on the right is not the drag racing lane or Grand prix lane to be used for speeding excessively and aggressively  and endangering the other people by you and others that feel it is OK to speed when ever you get the opportunity to do so and ignore the speed limit laws and practice reckless driving conduct to suit yourself.

 

@ Folks...listen up here as we now know "Bangkokairportlink" defends aggressive and reckless driving conduct perpetrated by himself and all the other reckless drivers and in effect is arguing on behalf of the Mercedes Benz driver and his small minded angry conduct that caused an accident.

 

The Mercedes Benz driver could have simply carried on and passed by after the cam vehicle ( did ) move over allowing the Mercedes driver to pass, as clearly seen in the video...but no.... he is angered so he thinks it is OK to deliberately cut him off and deliberately force the cam vehicle driver to stop while the Mercedes driver flashes his brake lights to let the cam vehicle driver know he is angry.

 

And you, in effect, argue this while you are defending this reckless mentality and attitude and implying that is the same way you drive.

 

@ Website Administers: Please take note of this and know where to correctly apply your discretion if "Bangkokairportlink" wants to foolishly and belligerently argue this matter relevant to important road safety issues that are a matter of life or death.

 

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Bastos60    144
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15 hours ago, berybert said:

Driving in Paris. I have probably had more accidents driving in Paris than you have had hot dinners.

Try driving a wagon and drag around any city in Europe then tell me again how hard it is to drive a car on the motorway.

If you had any accident in Paris you sure are one hell of a bad driver and the really the last person to even make a remark on this video.

Some people really have problems if they are put in their place.

 

At least I dare to say the only accidents I have been involved in was during the first 2 years I was driving and all due to inexperience and mostly to the same mistakes as the cam driver.

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Bastos60    144
6 hours ago, gemguy said:

Another person who insinuates he drives like the Thais and wonders why accidents happen with that kind of mentality and attitude.

The right lane is not meant for excessive speeding as YOU are adamantly implying .

It is meant to be used if the left lanes are occupied by motor vehicles traveling at less than the speed limit.

The cam vehicle used the right lane to pass the slower vehicles seen in the left lane and middle lane

 Eventually, as seen in the video, the cam vehicle does began to move over to the middle lane to give way to the Mercedes driver who was traveling much faster ( no doubt about it )  ... and wants to pass by at a even higher speed and considered dangerous and reckless and illegal.

 

They don't necessarely need to be driving less than the speed limit. You are just not allowed to speed in any lane.

 

6 hours ago, gemguy said:

 

*The lane on the right is a passing lane not a speeding lane or go as fast as (you) want lane...as you are explicitly implying.

The lane on the right is not the drag racing lane or Grand prix lane to be used for speeding excessively and aggressively  and endangering the other people by you and others that feel it is OK to speed when ever you get the opportunity to do so and ignore the speed limit laws and practice reckless driving conduct to suit yourself.

 

@ Folks...listen up here as we now know "Bangkokairportlink" defends aggressive and reckless driving conduct perpetrated by himself and all the other reckless drivers and in effect is arguing on behalf of the Mercedes Benz driver and his small minded angry conduct that caused an accident.

 

The Mercedes Benz driver could have simply carried on and passed by after the cam vehicle ( did ) move over allowing the Mercedes driver to pass, as clearly seen in the video...but no.... he is angered so he thinks it is OK to deliberately cut him off and deliberately force the cam vehicle driver to stop while the Mercedes driver flashes his brake lights to let the cam vehicle driver know he is angry.

 

And you, in effect, argue this while you are defending this reckless mentality and attitude and implying that is the same way you drive.

 

@ Website Administers: Please take note of this and know where to correctly apply your discretion if "Bangkokairportlink" wants to foolishly and belligerently argue this matter relevant to important road safety issues that are a matter of life or death.

 

But you are right in what you say. The MB driver was completely in the wrong, there is absolutely no excuse for what he did.

No matter how much money he has, this needs to go to court and be seriously covered in newspapers and on tv. If he only gets of with a fine, he will be pulling the same shit on other drivers.

We actually had a similar issue with a BMW driver in Belgium which got covered extensively in the news landing this guy in jail. He pulled that shit over and over again until one cam recorded his antics and
stayed in the news for several months. He initially got off with a fine, lost his drivers license for  a few weeks. But he didn't stop and being on the news so much everyone was actually looking out for him.

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berybert    4,524
1 hour ago, Bastos60 said:

If you had any accident in Paris you sure are one hell of a bad driver and the really the last person to even make a remark on this video.

Some people really have problems if they are put in their place.

 

At least I dare to say the only accidents I have been involved in was during the first 2 years I was driving and all due to inexperience and mostly to the same mistakes as the cam driver.

My last accident in Paris was some guy could'nt be bothered to wait in the queue to leave the motorway like everyone else and decided to drive to the front and push in at the last minute. He mistake was to try and pull in front of me.  He drove in to my wheel nuts and ripped the side of his car wide open.

He then asked me to pull over so we could sort it out. I told him I would stay where I was and wait for the police to come, with that he jumped in his car and departed. 

It was an accident that wasn't my fault but one I could easy have avoided.

Most accidents involving trucks are not the  truck drivers fault. it is impatient car drivers who think because a lorry is big it isn't going as fast as the rest of the traffic.

Oh and next time you are in Paris take a look at the cars, most of them are battered because French people are horrendous drivers.

 

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gemguy    1,450
2 hours ago, Bastos60 said:

 

They don't necessarely need to be driving less than the speed limit. You are just not allowed to speed in any lane.

 

But you are right in what you say. The MB driver was completely in the wrong, there is absolutely no excuse for what he did.

No matter how much money he has, this needs to go to court and be seriously covered in newspapers and on tv. If he only gets of with a fine, he will be pulling the same shit on other drivers.

We actually had a similar issue with a BMW driver in Belgium which got covered extensively in the news landing this guy in jail. He pulled that shit over and over again until one cam recorded his antics and
stayed in the news for several months. He initially got off with a fine, lost his drivers license for  a few weeks. But he didn't stop and being on the news so much everyone was actually looking out for him.

Glad to know sensibilities prevail while the laws are enforced when and where and upon whom they need to be enforced.

Cheers

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wprime    1,324

 

 

On 6/17/2017 at 1:34 PM, gemguy said:

Glad to know sensibilities prevail while the laws are enforced when and where and upon whom they need to be enforced.

Cheers

 

Unfortunately sensibilities won't prevail here. The truck will be 100% liable as he had ample time to stop (9 seconds from when the car entered his lane). A fully loaded semi could've stopped in that time.

 

Road rage is criminal which is the job of the police to pursue, not the victims, not their insurers. The police aren't going to bother, not because he's driving a Mercedes but because this is Thailand, unless people died or were seriously injured it's just not serious enough to warrant their time. As the MB driver has no inherent contributory liability, without a successful criminal conviction any civil claims against him will probably fail.

 

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stanleycoin    186

The blame is in this order.

Thai Parents

Thai Education system

Thai Police

I sure there is a lot more,  but the above will do for now. :jap:

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LazySlipper    494
On 6/17/2017 at 9:29 AM, garbolino said:

do NOT believe this

Yes do believe. My ex-girlfriend was an insurance investigator and it came from her statistics. 

 

BTW why is it so hard to believe?

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lvr181    1,736
On 6/15/2017 at 0:15 PM, LazySlipper said:

 

Actually, back in the west. car parks are one of the places that according to insurance companies where accidents occur the most.

What sort of "accidents"? Bump and scrape or more serious speed related accidents? Either you or the insurance companies should be more specific about the type of accident. I would not think that accidents in car parks carry the same risks as accidents on highways. In the context of this news item you should not compare apples with oranges!

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LazySlipper    494
4 hours ago, lvr181 said:

What sort of "accidents"? Bump and scrape or more serious speed related accidents? Either you or the insurance companies should be more specific about the type of accident. I would not think that accidents in car parks carry the same risks as accidents on highways. In the context of this news item you should not compare apples with oranges!

Wow... ok. As the first post said..."I have even seen accidents in car parks" --By ortonB I just pointing out that statistically more accidents do happen in car parks than anywhere else. You are just going after semantics. An accident is an accident (e.g. bumping your head on a wall) and no one was discussing the seriousness of an accident until you came along. 

 

Enjoy another sunny day in LOS.

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lvr181    1,736
46 minutes ago, LazySlipper said:

Wow... ok. As the first post said..."I have even seen accidents in car parks" --By ortonB I just pointing out that statistically more accidents do happen in car parks than anywhere else. You are just going after semantics. An accident is an accident (e.g. bumping your head on a wall) and no one was discussing the seriousness of an accident until you came along. 

 

Enjoy another sunny day in LOS.

Touchy touchy............ :smile:

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balo    5,397

The Benz driver is at fault of course, he is a mental idiot and almost killed them. I hope they catch him. 

 

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gemguy    1,450
On ‎2017‎-‎06‎-‎18 at 11:26 PM, wprime said:

 

 

 

Unfortunately sensibilities won't prevail here. The truck will be 100% liable as he had ample time to stop (9 seconds from when the car entered his lane). A fully loaded semi could've stopped in that time.

 

Road rage is criminal which is the job of the police to pursue, not the victims, not their insurers. The police aren't going to bother, not because he's driving a Mercedes but because this is Thailand, unless people died or were seriously injured it's just not serious enough to warrant their time. As the MB driver has no inherent contributory liability, without a successful criminal conviction any civil claims against him will probably fail.

 

I was referring to the other persons example of how the laws were enforced in his country....you know...a civilised country...lol

Thailand???......is another matter....

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