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Anti-graft body investigating my witnesses, Yingluck tells to court

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4 hours ago, Thechook said:

My wife was quite happy with the rice scheme.

Then she probably got paid.. others did not because there was no money reserved for it. But I really detested the rice scheme.. so much money put into it.. to benefit only the farmers a voting block. If she had put it in the universal healthcare program I would have supported it as everyone would have benefited.. but that would not have given her the voting block of the farmers..  so its not about helping the people.. its about getting in power. 

 

Its always the farmers this that.. but never really the other poor / middle class. Why.. because they are the means to get her in power. I find that really unfair to all the others... a garage goes bust.. tough luck b.. a farmer loses money on a crop.. here take this bag of money.  

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16 minutes ago, robblok said:

Then she probably got paid.. others did not because there was no money reserved for it. But I really detested the rice scheme.. so much money put into it.. to benefit only the farmers a voting block. If she had put it in the universal healthcare program I would have supported it as everyone would have benefited.. but that would not have given her the voting block of the farmers..  so its not about helping the people.. its about getting in power. 

 

Its always the farmers this that.. but never really the other poor / middle class. Why.. because they are the means to get her in power. I find that really unfair to all the others... a garage goes bust.. tough luck b.. a farmer loses money on a crop.. here take this bag of money.  

Why do they bury farmers 3 feet down? So they can still put their hand out.

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18 minutes ago, robblok said:

Then she probably got paid.. others did not because there was no money reserved for it. But I really detested the rice scheme.. so much money put into it.. to benefit only the farmers a voting block. If she had put it in the universal healthcare program I would have supported it as everyone would have benefited.. but that would not have given her the voting block of the farmers..  so its not about helping the people.. its about getting in power. 

 

Its always the farmers this that.. but never really the other poor / middle class. Why.. because they are the means to get her in power. I find that really unfair to all the others... a garage goes bust.. tough luck b.. a farmer loses money on a crop.. here take this bag of money.  

Robblok, do you also detest the 200B per year fuel and electricity subsidies or the 6B rubber subsides and other agriculture crops subsidies like sugar. I believed the fuel and electricity subsidies benefit the poor, middle class and also the super wealthy. Populist policies for votes? The rice scheme although disproportionate and way over the top does benefit the wider economies that owned by poor and middle class. What u think?

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1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Robblok, do you also detest the 200B per year fuel and electricity subsidies or the 6B rubber subsides and other agriculture crops subsidies like sugar. I believed the fuel and electricity subsidies benefit the poor, middle class and also the super wealthy. Populist policies for votes? The rice scheme although disproportionate and way over the top does benefit the wider economies that owned by poor and middle class. What u think?

Eric,

 

What is unclear about FARMERS... did I say only rice farmers ?. Fuel and electricity subsidies benefit everyone.. not just farmers. The rice scheme.. got nothing good to say about it and I dont think it benefitted others.. just like the trickle down effect (believe it was an American policiy at some time to benefit the rich and supposed to trickle down) I don't believe the rice program benefited others. Besides of course those ministers that arranged fake GTG deals to double put rice in the system. 

 

I am against farming subsidies in the west too (mentioned that countless times) I grew up in a farming area.. i know farmers. 

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ID: 80   Posted (edited)

On 6/16/2017 at 9:44 PM, Grubster said:

I'm not sure Thailand is any more corrupt than most western countries

 

Edited by ChrisY1

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17 hours ago, candide said:

I see your point: at least one  part of corrupt people would be convicted. Why not? What I challenge is the related assumption that it will result in a global benefit for the country, and even more that this benefit justifies a military Junta.

Your starting point is something like that: A and B are equally corrupt, B cannot be convicted but is able to convict A, so at least 50% of corruption is removed. However there are two other aspects to consider.

1. It is quite likely that B will not only keep its previous level of corruption, but will also take over the previous share of corruption by A. So the total corruption will be 1he same as before. Moreover, B has far reaching power  and uses it to remain in power or influent for a very long period of time without any check and balance. So it is even likely that the total level of corruption will increase.

2. B is not a government like others, it imposes a heavy price to pay: negative impact on the economy, loss of civil rights, muzzling of society, arbitrary arrest and conviction (not to mention what cannot be discussed), etc... Is the cost/benefit analysis positive? I don't think so.

 

So in summary: should corrupt PPT politicians be convicted? Ok, why not if they get a fair trial (which is not certain). Will it have a positive impact on corruption and prevent things to get worse? I don't think so. Does it justifies the price to pay for having a military Junta? Certainly not

You are forgetting one thing that is that even this junta will go away. So then its back to PTP or democrats. Then the junta is gone from those places where they could facilitate the corruption (not all but quite a few). So then we are back at democratic government and they will protect their own (don't deny it its a way of life here on both sides). The only time of the convictions happens in a power change. PTP always goes after democrats and vice versa. Its only rare (did see army go after democrats and democrats after democrats) that they go after their own. 

 

But whoever is in power will always have some corrupt members so the amount of corruption would be constant (maybe more in more corrupt governments). I am more talking about the moral part of letting people off when its sure they are corrupt. I can't accept that. By letting people get away with it we are sending the wrong signal. 

 

Its good to see you do agree with jailing and investigating corrupt politicians. I don't agree that it does not have a positive impact. I think it certainly will for when future governments. It will go slow but it will change. I do think the coup is worth it. Guess we differ on that. If the PTP was better and more clear in their dealings I would never have supported a coup. The rice scam with the highest ministers taking huge cuts from it with fake rice deals is just one of the things that would never have been exposed without the army. They even wanted to arrest a democrat MP for showing the rice that was rotten. YL kept a tight book denying all corruption not giving out any figures. Only when the army stepped in came the massive loss to light. (plus additional corruption). They just bring it up to themselves that people like me support coups. (I won't say the army stepped in to end the corruption because they wanted other things) But they get my support because they weed out the corruption of the PTP and entangle all their friends from high places so the next time its harder for them to be corrupt (until they got their friends back in the high places)

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On 6/16/2017 at 6:55 PM, candide said:

Well, as she is not accused of corruption, it could be understood that they are not corrupt!

;)

 

In this case she is accused of negligence. Has she, or one single witness so far explained how appointed yourself chair of the scheme and then never bothering to attend any of the meetings you were supposed to chair isn't negligent? Can't wait to see that explained - will rewrite all the management books.

 

Also, if things were so transparent, how come the accounts have never been revealed?

 

Got to hand it to them. They will argue black is white, white is black and avoid answering real questions for years and years.

 

 

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8 hours ago, robblok said:


I rather have them all punished but if not possible then just a few instead none at all.

Furthermore this junta stayed on far longer as any before. In general there are more normal governments. So its still a win if politicians get punished.

Anyway i really do want them all punished as i HATE corruption on any side. You can see me cheering in old topics when democrats were caught and punished.

 

"as i HATE corruption on any side"

 

A bold statement my man. And untrue. I've only ever seen you comment on corruption when it's alleged to be by a redshirt..

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On 6/17/2017 at 3:23 PM, Artisi said:

Tough titties, if standing as a witness for the likes of YL, expect to be looked at. 

So you're strongly for justice and equal and fair application of the law, no exceptions including the rich and powerful.  But you are fine with witness intimidation and ensuring that the odds are stacked against the person who is being prosecuted. No double standard there!

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