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Belgian tourist's death on Koh Tao - police deny several online rumors

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7 hours ago, bannork said:

The article mentions facts already known, ie the fire , 

 

 

 

 

you do you understand that in corrupt countries  that official reports are dictated - people are told what to say including police - medical examiners - locals - witnesses etc.   but that only happens in corrupt countries ....... not like Thailand  ... right ?

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Like I said to you before smedly, the person you are beseeching is an intrinsic part of the problem. There is no possibility of him ever being part of the solution.

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1 hour ago, smedly said:

you do you understand that in corrupt countries  that official reports are dictated - people are told what to say including police - medical examiners - locals - witnesses etc.   but that only happens in corrupt countries ....... not like Thailand  ... right ?

Oh, he understands alright.....

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Posts containing links to Thai language or other foreign language news sites have been removed.  While the Thai Visa news team may link to Thai language news sites,  the articles from the Thai language news sites are properly translated so that this problem is not encountered:

 

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ID: 260   Posted (edited)

A new twist emerged yesterday in the Thai language press, a story that resumed this morning in the English-speaking Thai press, notably in "The Nation" and in a well-known Bangkokian newspaper. This is in essence what the police (Crime Suppression Division) reportedly told the press:

 

- Elise Dallemagne allegedly tried to commit suicide on April 4, by triying to jump under a moving train at Nopphawong Railway Station, Bangkok.
- People on the scene saved her, with the help of Railway Police.
- She was sent to the Somdet Chaopraya Institute of Psychiatry for treatment.
- She later travelled to Koh Tao.

 

This completely contradicts what the mother (Michèle Van Egten) and the brother (Fabian Dallemagne) of the victim told firmly to the Thai and Belgian press that Elise Dallemagne was not at all suicidal.

 

It is surprising that this incident, which so opportunely reinforces the thesis of the police (the suicide), emerges only two months after the result of the investigation! However, it is possible that one or several witnesses of the incident may be came forward only now, after photos of the young woman have appeared all over the press, on television and on Facebook. It would be interesting that these witnesses testify freely in front of the press.

 

It is also surprising that this incident was not reported at the time (April 4) by the press; It would have made a good positive headline: "Thais citizens save a young Western woman from death".

 

Certainly suicides occur very regulary. It sometimes happens that the entourage and the family are really taken by surprise when this happens. Even the fact of having booked a plane ticket to return to her country does not constitute an absolute element in disfavour of the suicide thesis:travelers committed suicide in Suvarnabhumi from where they had to embark their return plane.

 

However, apart from the airline ticket and the family's testimonies and convictions, there are other factors that call into question the thesis of suicide:

 

- The fact that the family did not receive the autopsy report, that they claimed for.
- The fact that it appears that, according to the family, there is no photo available of the body at the place of death.
- The fact that for two months the information was hidden in the press, and that the family had to make calls for help so that this tragic event finally bursts into the open.

 

IF the testimony that there was a can of petrol close to the body AND the body was partially burned, then this would almost certainly invalidate the thesis of suicide: one does not usually commit suicide by TWO methods simultaneously (by hanging And immolation by fire)! 

 

It will be remembered that in the annals of criminal cases in this country there have been many instances of suspicion that dead by hanging are in fact crimes disguised as suicides; There is at least one proven case, when a victim escaped hanging over a highway bridge because, fortunately, the rope broke!

 

This is also reminiscent of Sean McAnna's allegations that two people threatened to hang him in the forest and disguise this as a suicide.

 

It will also be remembered that in some criminal cases it happened that the bodies of the victims were burnt at the place of execution to prevent their identification; This was particularly the case for the mass grave discovered last year near Udon Thani.

 

Before jumping to conclusions in one direction or the other, it would be prudent to rely on publicly established facts or testimony rather than on rumors or statements that are not openly verifiable. 

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ID: 261   Posted (edited)

There may be an issue with the mobile phone

 

In an article one of the rescue workers claims a mobile phone recovered and kept as evidence by the police

In may the mother was told by the police the phone may have been destroyed 

 

The can of benzine had been stolen

 

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ID: 262   Posted (edited)

31 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

There may be an issue with the mobile phone

 

In an article one of the rescue workers claims a mobile phone recovered and kept as evidence by the police

In may the mother was told by the police the phone may have been destroyed 

 

The can of benzine had been stolen

 

Please, where did you read this allegation about the rescue worker claim about the recovered mobile?

 

There is an expansion of often contradictory information; The press report declarations made by family, mixed with that of the police and with unverified rumors, and with report of other articles in other newspapers, re-carried in a sort of chain reaction, with at each step a loss of accuracy and verifiability. It would be desirable for those who are likely to give relevant information (family, witness...) to do so directly, for example via Facebook, rather than just through the press.

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6 minutes ago, Lamar said:

Please, where did you read this allegation about the rescue worker claim about the recovered mobile?

 

There is an expansion of often contradictory information; The press report declarations made by family, mixed with that of the police and with unverified rumors, and with report of other articles in other newspapers, re-carried in a sort of chain reaction, with at each step a loss of accuracy and verifiability. It would be desirable for those who are likely to give relevant information (family, witness...) to do so directly, for example via Facebook, rather than just through the press.

The info comes from a german language newspaper based in thailand

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16 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

The info comes from a german language newspaper based in thailand

Thank you very much ! I just read the topic... This German language newspaper seems well informed and in direct contact with the mother of the victim ... Let's hope that the mother returns to the possession of her daughter's mobile; It is likely that this mobile contains valuable information ... Its disappearance is most weird ... It is reminiscent of all the "weird" about the phones in the case of the September 2014 double murder ...

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Where is the Nopphawong Railway Station?
I think you mean Hua lamphong train station and Nopphawong Police Station.

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2 minutes ago, tukkytuktuk said:

Where is the Nopphawong Railway Station?
I think you mean Hua lamphong train station and Nopphawong Police Station.

I don't know, the source (that can't be fully cited here) said "Dallemagne tried to take her own life at Nopphawong railway station in Bangkok on April 4" and "She was sent to the Somdet Chaopraya Institute of Psychiatry for treatment"

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