Jonathan Fairfield

Thai police spokesman says Belgian tourist died from suffocation

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10 minutes ago, Bigdogfarang said:

Easily explained I don't want to post the whole theory again here - but short version - suicidal girl left for mainland in a terrible mental state - Got off at ko toa on a whim - stayed at guesthouse took sleeinng pill overdoes - knocked over lamp started fire - this brought her round and she fled - bought ticket to Bkk but a day later suicidal thoughts returned - goes into jungle and hangs herself - third attempt first was trying to jump in front of a train and was saved - put yourself in the mind of a tortured soul who contemplating suicide and all her actions make sense .. police delay release of story and try to suppress it as last thing they need is another ko Tao farang death reported end of story 

I see the points you are making, the 'guru' said she came on retreat before she went on 6 months holiday to New Zealand. I  understand that some people like to do a Hindu/Buddhist retreat thing but it seems like she might have had some mental problems and needed some support and did this instead of seeing a professional councilor.

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ID: 32   Posted

If one hangs himself, what is more likely to die from a broken neck or suffocation?

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ID: 33   Posted

If the hanging scenario is so clear cut why did they cremate the body?

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ID: 34   Posted

8 minutes ago, Lupatria said:

If one hangs himself, what is more likely to die from a broken neck or suffocation?

suicide is suffocation, judicial is broken neck and maybe the head coming off a lah Saddam.  

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1 minute ago, Lupatria said:

If one hangs himself, what is more likely to die from a broken neck or suffocation?

To hang  from a broken neck requires considerable skill and experience.

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4 minutes ago, Lamar said:

"The deputy spokesman of the Royal Thai Police said forensic examination of the Belgian tourist showed she died from suffocation, indicating she took her own life." Incorrect reasoning: this is compatible with the hypothesis of a suicide, BUT ALSO with the hypothesis of a murder by strangulation! There have been many strangulation murders all over the world!

 

My purpose is not to argue in favor of this second hypothesis but to emphasize that it can not be so easily swept away and that the reasoning that "death by suffocation = suicide" is not correct.

 

One can also (again) keep in memory that in the annals of criminal cases in this country there have been many instances of suspicion that dead by hanging are in fact crimes disguised as suicides; There is at least one proven case, when a victim escaped hanging over a highway bridge because, fortunately, the rope broke!

This is also reminiscent of Sean McAnna's allegations that two people threatened to hang him in the forest and disguise this as a suicide.

It will also be remembered that in some criminal cases it happened that the bodies of the victims were burnt at the place of execution to prevent their identification; This was particularly the case for the mass grave discovered last year near Udon Thani.

 

Before jumping to either conclusion, there should be publicly and openly verifiable evidence!

 

 

Looking at the place where she was found dead, it is clearly totally unsuitable to hang someone there as the victim could clearly reach the rocks with her legs if she intended. 

To suffocate her would require force that would surely show up in an autopsy. Yet no signs of assault were found.

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5 minutes ago, Krenjai said:

There should be....correct! Problem however they (RTP) had a two month head start to sweep anything under the carpet that does not fit the suicide scenario 

agreed and sorry to go back to the B2 it has to be credible.

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3 hours ago, rockingrobin said:

Elise was identified by dental records

Where did they have the dental records from, and when, before she was cremated or after? Did the mother of Elise Dallemagne provided the police with those records?

 

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Died of suffocation? A non-judicial hanging either self inflicted or not will do just that.  Judicial hangings are meant to cause C2/C3 fracture dislocation as well as suffocation.  Strangulation murderers sometimes try to fake a suicide hanging to cover their crime. The marks of bruising from the various forms of suffocation and strangulation  or lack if them hould tell an experienced pathologist whether they were inflicted by the hanging or another means such as manual strangulation, or even if they occurred before the hanging.  Either way, it is yet another sad end to a probably decent and promising life. She has obviously had a troubled time in her recent past and thought she was through it at one recent point.  Poor girl.  Very sad.  How tragic for the family whatever the mode of death.  If murder we hope they can find and punish him.

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7 minutes ago, bannork said:

Looking at the place where she was found dead, it is clearly totally unsuitable to hang someone there as the victim could clearly reach the rocks with her legs if she intended. 

To suffocate her would require force that would surely show up in an autopsy. Yet no signs of assault were found.

Right! But if it's difficult to hang someone at this place (because her legs will reach the rocks), then it seems also to hang herself, for the same oblivious reason.

The force exercised necessary for causing suffocation is the same whether exercised by voluntary hanging or by a third party.

If the victim is taken by surprise, for example assaulted from behind (as often in cases of strangulation), this will leave no trace of assault other than the strangulation itself.

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ID: 45   Posted

How long has the cult been on Phangan?

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