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Grubster    1,481
4 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

She WAS warned both internally in Thailand and also by the world bank system and the IMF but she ignored why was said externally and had the lady whistleblower within Thailand moved and sacked.

 

It has been posted many times and I suppose it is still out there on the internet if you want to research for it.

And maybe you should, and then show evidence of a crime, isn't that what we are talking about? I was always led to believe that intent had to be proven.

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Grubster    1,481
3 hours ago, halloween said:

What you forgot are the dumping rules. If a country subsidises a commodity and then sells it for less than they paid for it, it is called dumping, which leads to international trade sanctions. So your little plan is not viable.

It has been explained repeatedly that failing to take measures to stem the losses is negligence in office, which is the crime she is charged with. The Hunt bros did it with their own money, Yingluk did it with money she was supposed to manage for the nation.

So anytime someone fails to take measures to stem losses in a government project it is a crime, OK fair enough. I used the Hunt brothers as an example of how this can happen when surely the Hunt brothers did care about their money.

   In case you are not aware of it foreign countries have been dumping their goods in the USA for many years. Buy a Toyota in the US and then Buy one for 20% more in Japan.

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halloween    10,063
37 minutes ago, Grubster said:

So anytime someone fails to take measures to stem losses in a government project it is a crime, OK fair enough. I used the Hunt brothers as an example of how this can happen when surely the Hunt brothers did care about their money.

   In case you are not aware of it foreign countries have been dumping their goods in the USA for many years. Buy a Toyota in the US and then Buy one for 20% more in Japan.

So you still don't understand dumping. Not my job to educate you.

The Hunt brothers can waste their money all day long because it is their money. When you have the job of responsible fiscal management of other people's money, it is a different story.

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Grubster    1,481
2 minutes ago, halloween said:

So you still don't understand dumping. Not my job to educate you.

The Hunt brothers can waste their money all day long because it is their money. When you have the job of responsible fiscal management of other people's money, it is a different story.

Yes I understand Dumping and there are many ways to subsidize things and get around the dumping laws. Do you understand dumping? Doesn't sound like it to me. What the hell does dumping have to do with this issue? Are they going to convict her of dumping? Your way wrong or every politician that made huge mistakes and didn't correct them in a timely fashion would be in jail, can you name a few from democratic nations.

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halloween    10,063
1 minute ago, Grubster said:

Yes I understand Dumping and there are many ways to subsidize things and get around the dumping laws. Do you understand dumping? Doesn't sound like it to me. What the hell does dumping have to do with this issue? Are they going to convict her of dumping? Your way wrong or every politician that made huge mistakes and didn't correct them in a timely fashion would be in jail, can you name a few from democratic nations.

Perhaps I should take lessons on dumping from the master who wrote " They would have been so much better off just selling it for what they could get from the start after paying the farmer for it."

She was buying rice that they couldn't sell.

And there was no " correct them in a timely fashion" - she did NOTHING to stop the losses even after they had drained all available revenue sources and farmers weren't being paid.

 

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billd766    10,032
4 hours ago, Grubster said:

And maybe you should, and then show evidence of a crime, isn't that what we are talking about? I was always led to believe that intent had to be proven.

 

Why should I look for you?

 

How could I show evidence in a court in Thailand?

 

I was never involved in the rice scheme in any way.

 

It was the auditors who found the problem and not me. They did show the evidence and got hammered for doing so.

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Grubster    1,481
1 minute ago, halloween said:

Perhaps I should take lessons on dumping from the master who wrote " They would have been so much better off just selling it for what they could get from the start after paying the farmer for it."

She was buying rice that they couldn't sell.

And there was no " correct them in a timely fashion" - she did NOTHING to stop the losses even after they had drained all available revenue sources and farmers weren't being paid.

 

So you are saying that selling it on the open market for what it is worth would have been dumping? There is no such thing as rice or any other commodity that can't be sold that I know of, please enlighten. She was buying rice that they "wouldn't sell" because they thought they could drive the world market, they could have sold it at any time which would have driven the world price down. I see you didn't have an answer for who has been prosecuted for not correcting a failed program in a democratic country?

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robblok    19,867
16 minutes ago, Grubster said:

Yes I understand Dumping and there are many ways to subsidize things and get around the dumping laws. Do you understand dumping? Doesn't sound like it to me. What the hell does dumping have to do with this issue? Are they going to convict her of dumping? Your way wrong or every politician that made huge mistakes and didn't correct them in a timely fashion would be in jail, can you name a few from democratic nations.

Grubster, 

 

Can you name one PM that hid a cost to the goverment equal to the health budget and kept it off budget off books ? No .. I guess because something this big would never happen as it would indeed involve jail time. Heads have rolled for less in my country ministers having stepped down over letters and budget problems. But at this scale.. giving your country an extra loss the size of a health budget for a year and not reporting it.. that would be criminal to say the least. 

 

Its not a case of it being a subsidy, that would be the case if the had put it in the central budget and called it that way. But she hid it and called it cost neutral. Subsidies in the west are named in the budgets and monitored and certainly not hidden or kept off books. Just imagine if someone in the UK hid a cost the size of the health budget off books....  I guess you cant.. i know I cant because something of that magnitude would never ever happen.. its a huge case of negligence to willfully hide such a thing off books. 

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Grubster    1,481
2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Grubster, 

 

Can you name one PM that hid a cost to the goverment equal to the health budget and kept it off budget off books ? No .. I guess because something this big would never happen as it would indeed involve jail time. Heads have rolled for less in my country ministers having stepped down over letters and budget problems. But at this scale.. giving your country an extra loss the size of a health budget for a year and not reporting it.. that would be criminal to say the least. 

 

Its not a case of it being a subsidy, that would be the case if the had put it in the central budget and called it that way. But she hid it and called it cost neutral. Subsidies in the west are named in the budgets and monitored and certainly not hidden or kept off books. Just imagine if someone in the UK hid a cost the size of the health budget off books....  I guess you cant.. i know I cant because something of that magnitude would never ever happen.. its a huge case of negligence to willfully hide such a thing off books. 

Well I guess the several Trillion dollars that have been found to be unaccounted for in US military spending over the last several decades might be a good start, thats only about ten thousand times this amount.

    If they have proven that she intentionally deceived the Thai government and the people then by all means guilty as charged, Problem is I have not seen that come out yet, remember the word Proven. Is she guilty of her brothers crimes?

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Grubster    1,481
35 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Why should I look for you?

 

How could I show evidence in a court in Thailand?

 

I was never involved in the rice scheme in any way.

 

It was the auditors who found the problem and not me. They did show the evidence and got hammered for doing so.

Because you were the one to bring it up, why should I look for you?

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Dumbastheycome    622
1 hour ago, halloween said:

So you still don't understand dumping. Not my job to educate you.

The Hunt brothers can waste their money all day long because it is their money. When you have the job of responsible fiscal management of other people's money, it is a different story.

Dumping is a term where I come  from  that is  generally  understood  to involve  excrement. I  can understand   rice   would  easily  be involved  in that scenario. For sure  no problem for  some  when it is  other peoples  rice  that  gets  eaten  and  dumped !  :saai:

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bangrak    1,561

'Yingluck plans...': yeah, right, fake news! LOL

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halloween    10,063
9 hours ago, Grubster said:

So you are saying that selling it on the open market for what it is worth would have been dumping? There is no such thing as rice or any other commodity that can't be sold that I know of, please enlighten. She was buying rice that they "wouldn't sell" because they thought they could drive the world market, they could have sold it at any time which would have driven the world price down. I see you didn't have an answer for who has been prosecuted for not correcting a failed program in a democratic country?

" It occurs when manufacturers export a product to another country at a price either below the price charged in its home market or below its cost of production."

 

And your answer is they "wouldn't" sell the rice overflowing the warehouses while they were having problems raising the money to pay farmers, because they were worried the price would go down. Right.

 

The reason I can't give you a similar case is that no-one else has been as  cluelessly negligent as Yingluk. Other democratic counties have leaders chosen for their experience and political skill, not selected by the party owner,  and if any party member showed such gross negligence they would be replaced in their position without fear of losing their monthly bribe.

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