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I think the pedestrian was at fault, but because she was already in the road sometime before the accident then the cyclist should have been aware.  Is it me or did the pedestrian stumble out a bit just before?  Absolutely tragic.  It highlights the need to go very slow in busy built up areas.  Awful event.

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On 26/07/2017 at 5:27 AM, foxboy said:

I do only ride in UK. I am merely suggesting that the lady cyclist could have taken her eyes off the road ahead, for a couple of seconds, as I often do.

You seem to be allowing the pedestrian's ignorant behaviour because 'this is Thailand'. I'm sorry but I don't see it that way, that a cyclist on the road should be the one who stops to allow a daydreaming pedestrian to walk past. 

As I have said before, if the lady was riding a motorbike or sam-lor instead, the pedestrian would NOT have walked into her path. Or if she had, she would be the one coming off worst.

You have every right to see it differently, but this is how I see it

Your on the money foxboy I wouldn't worry about what anyone says that pedestrian was a bloody idiot she caused the death of that cyclist and run away like a little gutless dog she was.

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I don't see how it was the pedestrian fault totally.  even if she did wonder out another 6".. the cyclist riding in that area has to be alert and able to yield left or right.  It looked like the cyclist had room between the bus and the pedestrian.  I would not have ridden so close to a pedestrian...or at least a verbal alert as I was doing so.  
Total freak accident and I would not put absolute blame on either person.  
I feel for the friend... coming back and seeing your riding partner wreathing on the ground dying would be tough.

Never been in that area, but big buses IMO are a PITA and should not be allowed in many areas.  Those areas were never designed for them.  
Anyway, sad situation for the cycling community.



 

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On 13/08/2017 at 4:09 PM, Nowisee said:

I don't see how it was the pedestrian fault totally.  even if she did wonder out another 6".. the cyclist riding in that area has to be alert and able to yield left or right.  It looked like the cyclist had room between the bus and the pedestrian.  I would not have ridden so close to a pedestrian...or at least a verbal alert as I was doing so.  
Total freak accident and I would not put absolute blame on either person.  
I feel for the friend... coming back and seeing your riding partner wreathing on the ground dying would be tough.

Never been in that area, but big buses IMO are a PITA and should not be allowed in many areas.  Those areas were never designed for them.  
Anyway, sad situation for the cycling community.



 

Oh really you didn't see pedestrian just walking out without looking?

I'm just wondering if you watching the same video we are...lol

I'd say the cyclist was alert the whole time but when you got somebody that just pops out in front of you it's a bit hard to avoid.... the funny thing is we can all see the video but we are all coming up with different thoughts I mean you can see clearly that the pedestrian bumped into the cyclist.

When your on a bicycle and somebody pops out in front of you like that it's a bit hard to react really quick that's why she came off the bike do you think she really wanted to go under a bus.

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19 hours ago, Eli1 said:

Oh really you didn't see pedestrian just walking out without looking?

I'm just wondering if you watching the same video we are...lol

I'd say the cyclist was alert the whole time but when you got somebody that just pops out in front of you it's a bit hard to avoid.... the funny thing is we can all see the video but we are all coming up with different thoughts I mean you can see clearly that the pedestrian bumped into the cyclist.

When your on a bicycle and somebody pops out in front of you like that it's a bit hard to react really quick that's why she came off the bike do you think she really wanted to go under a bus.

You can interpret it the way you want.  I do not see the person "popping" out.  The  bumping into the cyclist is the same as the cyclist bumping into the person.  The angle of the camera does not let me see the distance, but it does not look like the person moved very much.. and IMO, as a cyclist I just would not ride that close to a person and if I did, certainly not at speed with traffic around.  It also comes down to experience.    
My riding experience I have never plowed into a person.

Your last question is just stupid.
 

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19 hours ago, Eli1 said:

I'd say the cyclist was alert the whole time but when you got somebody that just pops out in front of you it's a bit hard to avoid...

If we could watch a video of the cyclist starting 200 meters before the accident it would be easier to prove that the cyclist was speeding and did not slow down enough , the visibility should not be a problem  .   

 

 

 

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On 19/08/2017 at 8:40 PM, balo said:

If we could watch a video of the cyclist starting 200 meters before the accident it would be easier to prove that the cyclist was speeding and did not slow down enough , the visibility should not be a problem  .   

 

 

 

Honestly what are you talking about cyclists speeding are you kidding me this whole topic is just getting to wacky for me the administrator needs to get rid of it some pretty stupid questions been asked and said.

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On 19/08/2017 at 8:22 PM, Nowisee said:

You can interpret it the way you want.  I do not see the person "popping" out.  The  bumping into the cyclist is the same as the cyclist bumping into the person.  The angle of the camera does not let me see the distance, but it does not look like the person moved very much.. and IMO, as a cyclist I just would not ride that close to a person and if I did, certainly not at speed with traffic around.  It also comes down to experience.    
My riding experience I have never plowed into a person.

Your last question is just stupid.
 

My last question is stupid? but your hole  answer is even more pathetic and who you trying to kid that you're a cyclist because if you're a cyclist you would see what was going and make a better judgement I think the last time you where on a bike is when youre 5 year-old.

You can just tell by the way you've perceived the whole thing. And why did she look back and then she run away like the guilty coward she was, explain that, then again her action Explains It all no need cheers.

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The other day I read all the posts I this topic, I found the differences of opinion to be expected. The interesting point about the comments is there are indeed many cyclists who are prepared attribute part of the cause to the cyclist and do not lay it all on the pedestrian.

I have been brought down by a pedestrian who simply stepped across a path as I was almost alongside. He was wearing a headset listening to what I don't know. I was going very gently, there was minimum contact, but yes over I went. So I have experience.

 

In this case the pedestrian was already on the road when the cyclist approached, cyclists need to give a pedestrian as wider berth as possible, they are an unknown quantity, and yes I have on many occasions seen pedestrians play chicken with me on my cycle moving at the last possible moment to prove they have a right to walk where they want. Ignorant yes, but unfortunately quite common to see 3 or more people spread across a pedestrian/cycle path and just hold their ground, many times I have been forced to go off the path surface to avoid these inconsiderate individuals. During school term I travel against the traffic flow in a cycle lane, many children crossing between the traffic and not expecting me in a contraflow cycle lane coming the other way. People just step out. I have done so many emergency stops I have lost count. But I an aware of the danger and travel at a steady speed where I can stop.

 

To evaluate the contributory causes to this unfortunate accident one has to remove the result.

 

The lady on the bicycle got too close to the pedestrian, in turn the pedestrian misjudged how close the cyclist was coming. Perhaps the cyclist was unnerved by the proximity of the bus or just misjudged the space required to pass freely. If the cyclist was unnerved by the proximity of the bus she should have stopped and allowed the pedestrian to move past or clear the way.

 

But then hindsight cannot fix the unfortunate outcome, I for one have had a valuable cycling lesson re-enforced by this this tragic accident, which will stay in my mind for a long long time.

Pedestrians are an unknown, no different to a buffalo on the road, do not assume they are aware of your approach, they can easily step across a cyclist, change direction in an instant.....give them loads of room. Stop if it could be unsafe to squeeze past.

 

 

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On 7/12/2017 at 2:38 AM, Jingthing said:

Yes, it was a horrible accident but I think you're jumping to an unfair conclusion that the pedestrian was really at fault. This is a horribly unfriendly nation for pedestrians and people do walk in the roads, sometimes without choice. Yes, her running away was not admirable but that's not the same thing as saying it was her fault. You didn't even consider that maybe the cyclist was going too fast for the road conditions considering she was riding on the edge where it was entirely predictable that there would be pedestrians, even if just stepping out to cross the road.  

Yes it was in some way the girl pedestrian's fault but as is the case in many places in Thailand they don't give a hoot about people.  On most days and in particularly in Cha-am the footpaths are just so blocked full of street vendors that all the pedestrians have to walk on the street among the traffic.  At weekends the traffic along the beach strip is almost grid-locked with pedestrians walking alongside vehicles most of the time.  This accident was an accident waiting to happen.  The cause of this accident is mostly the Local Government's fault by not keeping footpaths for pedestrians.

 

I am glad to see that Thai Visa has taken down the original movie clip of the accident which was not at all good...say no more.

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On 7/25/2017 at 4:38 AM, gk10002000 said:

Appropriate speed yes.  But passing a bus on the Left.   Cycles on the road I believe are supposed to follow the same general traffic laws as autos.  Passing on the left is a no no.  You pass on the right in Thailand.  In addition, a report was that she was clipped into her pedals.  That doesn't make it easy to hop off.  And one should be very very careful being broadside of any truck or bus.  Gosh every week there are similar stories of cyclist or pedestrians, or motorbikers ending up under vehicles.  narrow streets, un foreseen lane changes, etc.  This was a confluence of bad actions and she paid the price.  Now banish to hell that coward pedestrian that immediately ran away instead of maybe lending assistance.  Although it looks like the cyclist was fatally crushed instantly and nothing could be done to help her

I really don't think this comment is from anyone who has ever been to Thailand.   It is very common and very often the case that bicycle or motor bikes passes cars on the left hand side that is the near side not the offside (correct side), there are really no road rule books in Thailand.  Even for me (from Australia we drive on the left also) where it is a serious offence to pass a vehicle on the left (near side) unless it is a marked lane.  I almost always pass on the left in Thailand as is the way of Thais especially where traffic is gridlocked like in Cha-am and that is most weekends (no problem Mon to Fri).   Now if you happen to be riding on a busy road on a motor bike in Thailand it will often happen that you will meet a motorbike coming the other way completely on the wrong side of the road,  you pass this motorbike on the right side if you want to stay alive ( not the left side).  The motor bike coming the wrong way always stays as close to the edge of the road as far as possible ( helps them to stay alive?)...these are Thai Rafferty's Rules.  It is good idea to stick to Rafferty's Rules sometimes if you want to stay alive on the roads in Thailand...TIT

 

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Just now, David Walden said:

I really don't think this comment is from anyone who has ever been to Thailand.   It is very common and very often the case that bicycle or motor bikes passes cars on the left hand side that is the near side not the offside (correct side), there are really no road rule books in Thailand.  Even for me (from Australia we drive on the left also) where it is a serious offence to pass a vehicle on the left (near side) unless it is a marked lane.  I almost always pass on the left in Thailand as is the way of Thais especially where traffic is gridlocked like in Cha-am and that is most weekends (no problem Mon to Fri).   Now if you happen to be riding on a busy road on a motor bike in Thailand it will often happen that you will meet a motorbike coming the other way completely on the wrong side of the road,  you pass this motorbike on the right side if you want to stay alive ( not the left side).  The motor bike coming the wrong way always stays as close to the edge of the road as far as possible ( helps them to stay alive?)...these are Thai Rafferty's Rules.  It is good idea to stick to Rafferty's Rules sometimes if you want to stay alive on the roads in Thailand...TIT

 

nutty.  I have been over a dozen times, 14 I think since 2004.   Passing on the left or right when up against a bus that probably has limited view of you and doesn't leave much room for margin in case something goes wrong as it did here, is very dangerous.  Even a casual scan of posts on line here or on youtube will show so many accidents occurring while passing, legit or not. 

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2 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

nutty.  I have been over a dozen times, 14 I think since 2004.   Passing on the left or right when up against a bus that probably has limited view of you and doesn't leave much room for margin in case something goes wrong as it did here, is very dangerous.  Even a casual scan of posts on line here or on youtube will show so many accidents occurring while passing, legit or not. 

 As I've said in another post it is the local govt fault in Cha-am as it allows street vendors to use the footpath extensively, this requires  pedestrians to walk on the road among the traffic (TIT).  The proximate cause of this accident is just that...get the vendors off the footpaths ( not likely in Thailand)

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7 hours ago, David Walden said:

 As I've said in another post it is the local govt fault in Cha-am as it allows street vendors to use the footpath extensively, this requires  pedestrians to walk on the road among the traffic (TIT).  The proximate cause of this accident is just that...get the vendors off the footpaths ( not likely in Thailand)

No. The proximate cause of the accident is the girl on the bike I believe was determined to be pegged into the pedals, so she could not dismount quickly, and she did not exercise sufficient caution and she was just speeding along.  The pedestrian lowered her shoulder a little bit too, perhaps instinctively, perhaps vindictively.

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