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10 minutes ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

UK government is not being tough enough yet, but will have to start doing more than probing in the dark. Turn the interrogation light on and summon up the blood, but there is a long way to go yet.

Unfortunately they are all lacking in the blood department as well as having any idea of how to proceed.

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31 minutes ago, Retiredandhappyhere said:

I suggest we all await the outcome of the negotiations before deciding whether the decision to leave the EU was "folly".  Because the UK Government quite sensibly has not put all its cards on the table at the outset, people, with no detailed information at their disposal,  are jumping to the conclusion that it has no plan.  Some elements of their plan are to be published this week, I understand.

 

The same people who rubbished the Government for being a bad member of the EU  for opting out of the Euro and many of the unacceptable EU proposals by careful and awkward negotiations, are now claiming that the UK are poor negotiators.  The British are renowned for their negotiating and diplomatic skills and these will be proved to be valuable assets in arriving at a reasonable exit from the EU, which will prove all the doom and gloom merchants completely wrong.  A reasonable settlement is in the interests of both the UK AND the EU and all the negative comments from the UK and the EU while negotiations are in progress are not helping to achieve that objective.  

 

No-one is claiming that there will not be an initial negative economic impact on the UK and the EU economies following Brexit, but time will tell which party comes out best and indeed survives in the long run. The remaining 27 members of the EU are by no means all speaking with one voice and were a referendum on continued membership to be held in one or two countries, particularly with the leaders' move towards a "United States of Europe" in the pipeline the outcome is not as certain as some would like.

 

Finally, Brexit was NOT only about money, important though that is.

Many good points - and I'd only consider changing " we all await the outcome of the negotiations"  to:-

 

'we all await the voters' response to the outcome of the negotiations'. :smile:

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On 09/08/2017 at 0:39 PM, billd766 said:

 

Not that in any way would he biased against Brexit but.....

 

"The negotiations have only just begun, I don't think they have begun particularly promisingly, frankly, on the British side," said Fraser, who also formerly served as chief of staff to the European Trade Commissioner in Brussels.

 

 

Yep, and he gets the pension that goes with it!

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On 09/08/2017 at 3:48 PM, dick dasterdly said:

Many good points - and I'd only consider changing " we all await the outcome of the negotiations"  to:-

 

'we all await the voters' response to the outcome of the negotiations'. :smile:

Err... No second referendum was the cry by both sides before June 23rd.

Only the sad Lib Dems want to run it again.

The final deal will go before parliament.

Thank Gina Miller for that. And now she says she will push to see Brexit is delivered.

She is a millionaire and a barrack room lawyer. It seems she believes in democracy as long as it goes the way she wants...

She was lucky to be born a couple of months before Guyana became independent when her dad became Attorney General, and has since married three rich Brits.

 

 

 

 

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On 08/08/2017 at 1:38 PM, rufanuf said:

This generation already paid for the Folly of joining the corrupt club in the first place. People cannot see the simple fact that BREXIT is a symptom OF the EU. Not visa versa.

 

Which generation would that be then?

 

I am 73 and my generation are war babies and just after.

 

Then there are the baby boomer generation of the 1960s and 70s (my UK son was born in 1978) followed of course by the current or millenium generation of MeMes.

 

The generation before mine are in their 80s and 90s and quite a few still have their wits about them.

 

A choice of 4. Pick one.

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10 hours ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

Err... No second referendum was the cry by both sides before June 23rd.

Only the sad Lib Dems want to run it again.

The final deal will go before parliament.

Thank Gina Miller for that. And now she says she will push to see Brexit is delivered.

She is a millionaire and a barrack room lawyer. It seems she believes in democracy as long as it goes the way she wants...

She was lucky to be born a couple of months before Guyana became independent when her dad became Attorney General, and has since married three rich Brits.

 

 

 

 

I'm a cynic, and fully expect the final agreement to be a more expensive version of remaining within the EU......

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10 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

I'm a cynic, and fully expect the final agreement to be a more expensive version of remaining within the EU......

If I could find one I'd send you a Muttley laugh...

That's what the Frogs and Krauts want.

No, we know they want our money and would like to control the UK via the ECJ, but I don't believe that can happen. The Lib Dems only have eight seats at Westminster for a reason,

WTO rules, or back in Efta if we have to. Pay them up to 2020 when the current budget we agreed to ends, plus our contribution to pension funds. Not a penny more.

Out of the whole sordid, corrupt and undemocratic mess is the only answer.

 

 

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22 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

Which generation would that be then?

 

I am 73 and my generation are war babies and just after.

 

Then there are the baby boomer generation of the 1960s and 70s (my UK son was born in 1978) followed of course by the current or millenium generation of MeMes.

 

The generation before mine are in their 80s and 90s and quite a few still have their wits about them.

 

A choice of 4. Pick one.

What is your point? I'm fifty, my parents are in their eighties. I consider myself to be part of a generation that can remember what it meant to be a proud nation regardless of the prosperity of a nation. So can my parents, one being British, one being Spanish.  Most born after the 1980's probably don't have as strong a sense of national identity. This appears to have been a deliberate act on the part of successive governments. Get the population to lose its own sense of identity and you have them by the balls politically.

 

Knowone knows for sure what the UKs economic prospects would have been in the last 40 odd years had we stayed outside of the EU, but it likely would have been far better than it has been in it. Where as we ALL know the outcome of joining the EU. Its where we are today.

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http://www.lse.ac.uk/researchAndExpertise/units/growthCommission/documents/pdf/lseGCrep-Chap1.pdf

 

read up a bit!

 

"The UK has failed to create an enabling environment in a number of important areas for growth.
The result is a costly cocktail of political procrastination, institutional churn and poor decision-making.” 

 

Correct!

 

Where is our tech sector? Digital electronics? Semiconductors?

 

Lets blame the EU (or anybody actually)

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