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11 minutes ago, onthesoi said:

 

There is less corruption and more enforcement of anti-corruption now than at any other time in Thailand's history.

 

If you think differently, either you weren't here 20+ years ago or led a very sheltered life moving between between your Pattaya barstool and hotel room.

Absolutely, irrefutable one hundred and ten percent incorrect.

Corruption is worse, oversight is worse, Transparency International rankings are worse.

 

Just how many went to jail over the Rajabhakti park corruption... oh that's right zero people.

Wonder why that is?

 

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news.php?id=84085

 

 

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1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

Democracy as seen through the eyes of the autocracy is always an ugly affair.

Equality, transparency and accountability under the written rule of law is a disturbing experience for the autocratic "exceptionalism" that must transcend the rule of the majority.

'"Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half the time. " When that majority are prepared to ignore crime and sell their nation's interest for a "cheap" bribe (which they pay for themselves), yes, it can be ugly.  Where were 'Equality, transparency and accountability" under our last government?

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15 minutes ago, onthesoi said:

 

There is less corruption and more enforcement of anti-corruption now than at any other time in Thailand's history.

 

If you think differently, either you weren't here 20+ years ago or led a very sheltered life moving between between your Pattaya barstool and hotel room.

If you believe that you zip up the back mate. 

 

20 years ago we had a government that was toppled largely by the corruption of one man, Suthep Thaugsuban. If you recall he was involved in a large scale land corruption scandal. 


Then he turned up conveniently again in 2013-14 heading a public protest against corruption.

 

A man that was referred to as 'the most corrupt and ruthless' in Thai politics by his colleagues in the Democrat Party cabinet. 

 

Corruption flourishes under autocratic, hardline regimes such as this, when the perpetrators cannot be found guilty they tend to abuse the position. Much like military regimes in the past; Sanit, Tharit etc. 

 

It's a money grab, nothing more and nothing less.

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Just now, halloween said:

'"Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half the time. " When that majority are prepared to ignore crime and sell their nation's interest for a "cheap" bribe (which they pay for themselves), yes, it can be ugly.  Where were 'Equality, transparency and accountability" under our last government?

Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.

 

If it benefits the poor, it's a bribe. If it benefits the rich, it's sound policy.

 

Where is equality, transparency and accountability under the current government?

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5 hours ago, Yinglove said:

I guess you can, it's a bit silly though, kind of like watching a game of football and hoping both sides lose.

Difference is that this is not football. 

 

The junta can have good and bad idea's and even the Shin can have good Idea's. I bet that if you supported a soccer team you would not agree with every decisions the management made buying and selling players.. or with every position of they put players at ?

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2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Difference is that this is not football. 

 

The junta can have good and bad idea's and even the Shin can have good Idea's. I bet that if you supported a soccer team you would not agree with every decisions the management made buying and selling players.. or with every position of they put players at ?

Yeah, it's called an analogy.

 

I'm sure that Saddam Hussein, Mummer Gaddafi and Idi Amin all had their fair share of good ideas - that doesn't make any of them any more palatable though.

So good ideas or not, the junta is inimical to democracy.

Junta or democracy - pick one.

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Yinglove said:

Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.

 

If it benefits the poor, it's a bribe. If it benefits the rich, it's sound policy.

 

Where is equality, transparency and accountability under the current government?

Well there was no doubt in anybody's mind that it was sound policy was there? As for 'e, t & a' I didn't claim it exists now,  I pointed out that it was in very short supply under your "democratic" love. But that isn't in your agenda, is it?

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16 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

If you believe that you zip up the back mate. 

 

20 years ago we had a government that was toppled largely by the corruption of one man, Suthep Thaugsuban. If you recall he was involved in a large scale land corruption scandal. 


Then he turned up conveniently again in 2013-14 heading a public protest against corruption.

 

A man that was referred to as 'the most corrupt and ruthless' in Thai politics by his colleagues in the Democrat Party cabinet. 

 

Corruption flourishes under autocratic, hardline regimes such as this, when the perpetrators cannot be found guilty they tend to abuse the position. Much like military regimes in the past; Sanit, Tharit etc. 

 

It's a money grab, nothing more and nothing less.

They're all one-n-the-same, historically. The defensive comparatives from one era to the another is surely ridiculous. 

Pretty much remains the same as it has forever - little has changed and certainly as it stands presently.

 

Though, I can appreciate the romantic notions that some might have towards this and that and bygone days.

The shit has been no different from the 1930s up to the present - varying degrees here and there over comparative times.

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Just now, halloween said:

Well there was no doubt in anybody's mind that it was sound policy was there? As for 'e, t & a' I didn't claim it exists now,  I pointed out that it was in very short supply under your "democratic" love. But that isn't in your agenda, is it?

The previous government actually had more than one policy.

 

So it's a problem if it's in short supply under my "democratic love" but its just fine if it's completely absent under the Junta.

 

 

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Just now, Yinglove said:

Yeah, it's called an analogy.

 

I'm sure that Saddam Hussein, Mummer Gaddafi and Idi Amin all had their fair share of good ideas - that doesn't make any of them any more palatable though.

So good ideas or not, the junta is inimical to democracy.

Junta or democracy - pick one.

 

 

 

Actually, the choice is the junta or the criminal conspiracy pretending to be some perverted form of democracy.

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2 minutes ago, Yinglove said:

Yeah, it's called an analogy.

 

I'm sure that Saddam Hussein, Mummer Gaddafi and Idi Amin all had their fair share of good ideas - that doesn't make any of them any more palatable though.

So good ideas or not, the junta is inimical to democracy.

Junta or democracy - pick one.

 

 

 

I would not go as far as to compare Thaksin with those lot.. but ok if you say so. 

 

If I pick democracy that means no Shins, because having a convicted criminal leading a party from abroad and paying the MP's a salary is not something a democracy is. So there are actually no choices.

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2 minutes ago, halloween said:

Well there was no doubt in anybody's mind that it was sound policy was there? As for 'e, t & a' I didn't claim it exists now,  I pointed out that it was in very short supply under your "democratic" love. But that isn't in your agenda, is it?

The previous government actually had more than one policy.

 

So it's a problem if it's in short supply under my "democratic love" but it's just fin if it's completely absent under the current regime?

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1 minute ago, halloween said:

Actually, the choice is the junta or the criminal conspiracy pretending to be some perverted form of democracy.

No it's not.

The "criminal conspiracy pretending to be some perverted form of democracy" has zero power or authority without being elected first.

 

Junta or Democracy - pick one.

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Just now, Yinglove said:

The previous government actually had more than one policy.

 

So it's a problem if it's in short supply under my "democratic love" but its just fine if it's completely absent under the Junta.

 

 

Yes and most of them were "elect me" scams that cost the nation dearly. The rice scam, the fabulous educational leap forward of the tablet scam, cheap cars, cheap homes and pay rises for everyone. But all with one aim, elect us so we can rob you again.

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2 minutes ago, robblok said:

I would not go as far as to compare Thaksin with those lot.. but ok if you say so. 

 

If I pick democracy that means no Shins, because having a convicted criminal leading a party from abroad and paying the MP's a salary is not something a democracy is. So there are actually no choices.

If you pick democracy then the Thai voters decide who is in and who is out.

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