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Briggsy    10,520
3 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

Sitting here listening to you guys make justifications for the president of the United States threatening Nuclear War makes me realize how truly lost you are.

Well said.

 

Many people have difficulty differentiating rhetoric from reality. Rhetoric is designed to influence people and Trump has successfully got a lot of Americans all riled up and baying for blood. That was his aim. He doesn't want the Russia story to be the headline.

 

Kim Jong-Un needs to continue with his rhetoric to build up the external threat, justify his position, suppress any internal dissent and maintain the "mad and dangerous yet weak" policy that has been a successful foreign policy in maintaining the regime and unnerving South Korea.

 

The reality is Trump wants a distraction and Kim Jong-Un wants to stay in power.

 

When listeners understand their real aims, they can re-interpret their comments and not naively take them at face value.

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F4UCorsair    2,848

 

It seems to me that many who post here are confused, or just plain ignorant, about the powers of the President of the US, or leaders of most other countries, with perhaps the exception of North Korea, and a few like minded authoritarian regimes.

 

The President doesn't make decisions in isolation....he's the final link in the chain, after taking the advice of the military strategists, intelligence agencies, etc., and then makes a decision on which way to proceed.

 

Rhetoric is part of the 'game', and the clown who leads NK needs to be reminded that if he sticks his head up far enough, it will be chopped off, so a bit of bluster in response is par for the course.

 

I haven't seen posts here advocating the use of nuclear weapons, as some poster (jcsmith I think) above, alluded to, and I'm sure that would be the very last resort after exhausting ALL other options.

 

My guess is that the US could neutralize every missile site in NK, without too much difficulty, using conventional weapons before KJU could say, "<deleted> you.".  They would be well aware of every location of missiles, etc., in NK.

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F4UCorsair    2,848
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2 hours ago, scotchonrocks said:

I presume you are referring to the North Korean regime, huh? 

 

Do do you realise what you are suggesting? Be careful what you wish for and use your brain a little more than the US president is.

I could say that I'm not referring to NK, but the Kingdom of Tonga, but I don't set out to be provocative or stupid.  It could be ONLY one country to which I am referring.....the thread title is, after all, "Trump Warns Fire and Fury if North Korea Threatens US".

 

I'm guessing you're of the left???    It's the left who sets out to be offensive, to denigrate, and attempt to humiliate, rather than making a reasoned post.

 

I'm sure he's using his brain............see my post above about him not operating in a vacuum.

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baboon    10,360
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22 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said:

 They would be well aware of every location of missiles, etc., in NK.

The fact that the Iraqi WMDs were found in record time amply demonstrates the high calibre of intelligence they have around the world.

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Roadman    2,881
28 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

It seems to me that many who post here are confused, or just plain ignorant, about the powers of the President of the US, or leaders of most other countries, with perhaps the exception of North Korea, and a few like minded authoritarian regimes.

 

The President doesn't make decisions in isolation....he's the final link in the chain, after taking the advice of the military strategists, intelligence agencies, etc., and then makes a decision on which way to proceed.

 

Rhetoric is part of the 'game', and the clown who leads NK needs to be reminded that if he sticks his head up far enough, it will be chopped off, so a bit of bluster in response is par for the course.

 

I haven't seen posts here advocating the use of nuclear weapons, as some poster (jcsmith I think) above, alluded to, and I'm sure that would be the very last resort after exhausting ALL other options.

 

My guess is that the US could neutralize every missile site in NK, without too much difficulty, using conventional weapons before KJU could say, "<deleted> you.".  They would be well aware of every location of missiles, etc., in NK.

You mean like the US President takes advise on most of the other country invasion stuff ups that US presidents of the last 50 to 60 years have cocked up?

And Americans had the bloody cheek to tell us non Americans to butt out of American elections when you were busy electing this bloody clown to Nuke button controller.

The rest of us are getting bloody sick to death of war mongering US governments and this moron you have now is starting to get to the final straw on our previous good nature towards Americans. 

There is more than way to skin a cat and two baboons throwing threats at each other with weapons that will impact on the rest of us in the Asia Pacific region is not the way to go about it. Its about time that Americans reign in your own idiot. 

 

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F4UCorsair    2,848
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1 minute ago, Roadman said:

You mean like the US President takes advise on most of the other country invasion stuff ups that US presidents of the last 50 to 60 years have cocked up?

And Americans had the bloody cheek to tell us non Americans to butt out of American elections when you were busy electing this bloody clown to Nuke button controller.

The rest of us are getting bloody sick to death of war mongering US governments and this moron you have now is starting to get to the final straw on our previous good nature towards Americans. 

There is more than way to skin a cat and two baboons throwing threats at each other with weapons that will impact on the rest of us in the Asia Pacific region is not the way to go about it. Its about time that Americans reign in your own idiot. 

 

 

You'd be stuck without "bloody" in your vocabulary!!!

 

When you say 'weapons that will impact on us in the AP region', I presume you're talking about nuclear weapons?   There's been no suggestion of using them, except from a wayward poster or two on TV.

 

I'm not an American, incidentally, as you seem to be suggesting with , 'this moron you have now', etc.

 

I'm off to the farm for the night, so I'm out for the day.

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Silurian    1,351
51 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

Many people have difficulty differentiating rhetoric from reality. Rhetoric is designed to influence people and Trump has successfully got a lot of Americans all riled up and baying for blood. That was his aim. He doesn't want the Russia story to be the headline.

 

Nothing distracting like a war or the pre-saber rattling portion. When the approval numbers are in the mid 30's (moving towards the low 30's) best to distract away from all the bad news. War grabs headlines. War always improves a sitting presidents approval numbers. But best to wait on the actual war until closer to 2020. Americans love to re-elect a war time president. 

 

The world is tinder ready to burn and we got boys in power playing with matches.

 

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jcsmith    1,202
54 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

FYI, MOAB's are non-nuclear.

And where are you getting MOAB from? He threatened, "fire and fury like the world has never seen." We've seen atomic bombs. We've seen MOAB. He's threatening nuclear war.

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tonray    4,554
37 minutes ago, Silurian said:

 

Nothing distracting like a war or the pre-saber rattling portion. When the approval numbers are in the mid 30's (moving towards the low 30's) best to distract away from all the bad news. War grabs headlines. War always improves a sitting presidents approval numbers. But best to wait on the actual war until closer to 2020. Americans love to re-elect a war time president. 

 

The world is tinder ready to burn and we got boys in power playing with matches.

 

At least he should pick an easy target. Like Grenada or Martinique 

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Thaidream    4,177

The American intelligence apparatus does not know the location of every missile in North Korea. They know where most are  but even one nuclear missile will bring huge loss of life and a destruction unknown to mankind in the modern age.

 

At present, the US and North Korea are playing nuclear poker. Kim is letting the US know that he is aware of US troop deployments and aircraft as Guam has many US forces and planes ready to be used. Guam is US territory.  Kim also knows that if he attacks US territory or an American ally that he is signaling his own demise and the destruction of what is now North Korea. He is not going to attack Guam or anywhere else unless he is convinced that the US is planning a first strike.  Trump needs to tone down his rhetoric simply because he does not want to put Kim and his generals in a position to strike first on the pretext that America is planning a first strike. This is why it's called nuclear poker and Trump needs to listen to his Generals and shut the hell up.

 

Trump is incompetent but he is not in total control of the US nuclear arsenal. Even Trump knows that there is a protocol that must be followed to launch a nuclear strike.He can't just push a button and the missles fly. He knows full well that if the US strikes first with a nuclear device that the US will be condemned universally and I doubt the US Command would even follow an order for a nuclear strike. For this to happen Kim's nuclear missile  has to be in the air and landing in Guam or other places as the US strikes back.  It's called MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) and it's is why  Russia, China and the US do not even contemplate a nuclear war.

 

Once everyone rules out nuclear war that leaves the conventional forces and Kim well knows that he can never defeat the US in a conventional war but he can bring death and destruction to Seoul and kill a lot of people including American military He can also launch conventional missiles without any nuclear payload on South Korea and Japan causing more deaths.  The scenarios I am aware of estimate a 6 month war with North Korea initially seizing the South Korea capital Seoul and the US sending in a minimum of 100,000 infantry and many thousands more in support to include its air armada. The US will defeat the North and occupy it to the cost of at least 1 million dead; the destruction of Seoul; missile strikes on Japan; and the deaths of thousands of American troops. It is imperative the US not strike first.

 

One has to remember that the original Korean conflict was a United Nations authorized intervention not an American intervention. There were 7 Nations fighting in KOrea under the UN flag:  S. Korea; USA; UK;  Australia; Thailand; Philippines; and Turkey. Why would the US go it alone at present when the original UN mandate still exists and technically a state of war still exists.

 

The bottom line is that the US and North Korea need to negotiate this out and N Korea  must freeze its missile program and the Korea Peninsula must be denuclearized. The US should be prepared to remove its forces from the South and there will most likely be a large foreign aid package given to the NOrth for its co-operation.  the UN will need to be able to inspect all N Korea nuclear sites to ensure compliance.  To me, this is  much better than  playing nuclear poker or waging a conventional war. Everyone lives/

 

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tonray    4,554
38 minutes ago, Silurian said:

 

Nothing distracting like a war or the pre-saber rattling portion. When the approval numbers are in the mid 30's (moving towards the low 30's) best to distract away from all the bad news. War grabs headlines. War always improves a sitting presidents approval numbers. But best to wait on the actual war until closer to 2020. Americans love to re-elect a war time president. 

 

The world is tinder ready to burn and we got boys in power playing with matches.

 

Not to worry.. He will consult the policy and military experts at Fox And Friends before doing anything 

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Golgota    142
4 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

There's no doubt the US administration needs analysts like those posting here on TV, such clarity of thought, such tactical responses, such foolishness.

 

If Trump doesn't back up against this worm, he will walk all over whoever gets in his path.   Hopefully he'll realize before he sticks his head up too far, that it will be chopped off.  Bullies need to be opposed.

The trump administration already has those analysts, don't you see them? Trump appointed them and is one of them as well

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TKDfella    360

Well, while some comments here indicate it is just a war of words someone will want the final 'say' and that will be the day that the world will be on edge. According to a British news article NK Generals are just waiting for the order to be signed.

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Thaidream    4,177

There will be no order to strike Guam by anyone in North Korea as they know such an order would be their death order.  A missile strike on US territory would give the US  a reason under International law to strike back and ensure the end of North Korea. Let;s hope this ridiculous posturing stops and at the same time Trump shuts  up so the diplomats can sit down and sort this all out.  I will start worrying when I see large troop movements from the US into Asia as well as the movement of aircraft from the US mainland to Asia.

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