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HerbalEd    2,596
9 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

he made 100 million dollars flying around the world in a private jet warning everyone about "global warming". :cheesy:

 

he is a smart guy. he could teach the Thais how to scam.

 

look how the deep state is freaking out about Trump.

they will do anything to stop him.

 

 

 

And you can back up what you say with actual facts from reliable sources, right? Sure you can? NOT.

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thehelmsman    1,417
4 hours ago, Becker said:

So the man-child shoots his mouth off yet again and says he'll make sure HRC goes to jail if elected and you're disappointed he doesn't come through even though there is nothing she can be jailed for despite years of desperate GOP efforts to find anything at all?

Well, that's an opinion.

The same opinion by shared by millions. It was great to see HRC face as he made that statement.

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piersbeckett    601
9 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

                           I can't justify Gore living in a large house, and using a lot of electricity-sucking appliances.  Personally, I take showers using water pumped from a PV electric pump, and heated by passive solar tanks I built for Bt.900.    

 

                        Yet, Gore is a messenger.  He won the Nobel Peace Prize.   He's been educating a lot of people ww about the consequences of emitting greenhouse-causing gases.  It's estimated that each person on the planet accounts for an average of 1 ton of CO2 emissions/year.  That's nearly 7 billion tons of CO2 annually.  Look at any Chinese city by satellite photo, and you'll see a dirty yellow blob.  Similar for most other cities ww.

 

                          When a care-giver goes to a place where there is mass starvation, does that person starve also?  No. The care-giver gets meals (at HQ or wherever), but hopefully that person and his/her organization are effective at handing out aid and water to the starving thousands.

 

                         When Trump stumps about helping the poor & unemployed in the US, do we expect him to also be poor and unemployed - in order to be credible?

I take your point but might we not expect moderation and a good example from such a person?

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halloween    9,582
6 hours ago, Grouse said:

27kW average. Large but not huge by any means.

For a man who preaches the dangers of climate change, it is huge. Being such a concerned activist, you would think his home would be equipped with LED lighting and the latest in energy efficient appliances, so I guess we're down to air conditioning 50 or 60 rooms and heating the swimming pool(s).

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Grouse    3,936
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17 minutes ago, halloween said:

For a man who preaches the dangers of climate change, it is huge. Being such a concerned activist, you would think his home would be equipped with LED lighting and the latest in energy efficient appliances, so I guess we're down to air conditioning 50 or 60 rooms and heating the swimming pool(s).

In the warm climates, a/c typically takes 70%, hot water 10%. 

 

I assure you that there are much great specific target than Al Gore and targets generally.

 

See what Elon Musk has to say....

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halloween    9,582
1 minute ago, Grouse said:

In the warm climates, a/c typically takes 70%, hot water 10%. 

 

I assure you that there are much great specific target than Al Gore and targets generally.

How much bloody hot water does a family need? More to the point, how much energy does a climate change and energy conservationist need to use before he becomes a hypocrite?

 

BTW I live in a warm climate, my energy usage for a/c is zero, water heating only slightly more.

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Becker    866
49 minutes ago, thehelmsman said:

The same opinion by shared by millions. It was great to see HRC face as he made that statement.

The opinion shared by millions but not by anyone of those who actually know what they're talking about and made the decision not to prosecute her for any of the number of issues the GOP bloodhounds were after her for.

Now, a thinking person might start to question if this was all a pathetic witch-hunt. In fact, a thinking person might conclude that he or she has been completely conned by the man-child.

 

Was it great to see HRC's face when he made that statement? If you'd seen your own face whenever you step on a dog turd you would have seen the same thing. And that is also something you share with millions.

 

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Grouse    3,936
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4 minutes ago, halloween said:

How much bloody hot water does a family need? More to the point, how much energy does a climate change and energy conservationist need to use before he becomes a hypocrite?

 

BTW I live in a warm climate, my energy usage for a/c is zero, water heating only slightly more.

Then clearly you are an outlier

 

Instant water heaters are typically 6kW to 10kW

 

Gore obviously has a big house. So what?

 

It's not the main issue!

 

I have clients in Phuket with pool heaters! One is 300kW!

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boomerangutang    15,297
7 hours ago, connda said:

Here is the actual "inconvenient truth" that gets swept under the rug.
Slightly dated, but still relevant. These are not philanthropists funding these efforts and movies.  
Gore intimating that Trump is not with the Paris Accords has little to do with protecting the earth against climate change and a whole lot to do with the fact that Trump understands the underlying capitalist and investment motivations of the climate change rhetoric.  As such, he is a threat to the program and their proponents, and as Gore is aptly saying, there are powerful people who want him removed one way or another.  
If you firmly believe in climate change, that's fine, but please exercise due diligence and at least lift up the rocks and see what is crawling underneath them.  There is much more to this story than is being published by the primary media corporations.  
http://humanevents.com/2007/10/03/the-money-and-connections-behind-al-gores-carbon-crusade/

                           The fine print on the Paris Accords may look unfair to some people - particular those in ivory towers who are worried the US may have to pay more, proportionately, to lessen emissions, than other countries.  Yet, that should be a secondary concern.   More important are the following 2 points: 

 

>>>   nearly every country ww agreed to a watered-down version of the Paris Accords.  To get nearly every country, including N.Korea, to agree to any sweeping accord is a major achievement. 

>>>   The Paris Accords acknowledge that there is a pollution/warming problem which affects most people in the world.   By pulling out, US right-wingers are giving the finger to science, and giving the finger to the rest of the world.   Others notice.  To many other countries, it's a green light to continue/increase their polluting ways, figuring, "well, if the world's #2 polluting country can turn its back on cleaning the environment, then why should we make efforts to do our part to clean things up?"

 

6 hours ago, connda said:

All I'm saying is to critically look at all sides of these issue before buying into Gore's statement that Trump must be removed due to ethical misconduct related to climate issues, which is a contentious topic, but one that needs to be discussed openly and freely.  

                   There are tens of millions of Americans who hope Trump will be removed.  Ethical violations are just one of dozens of violations/law-breaking that Trump and his minions are immersed in.  The WH Ethics chief quit recently, because he was overwhelmed with complaints from US citizens.  When he tried to tell Trump about the complaints, he was continually turned away.   Trump cares about ethics the way a soi dog cares about table etiquette. 

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halloween    9,582
10 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Then clearly you are an outlier

 

Instant water heaters are typically 6kW to 10kW

 

Gore obviously has a big house. So what?

 

It's not the main issue!

 

I have clients in Phuket with pool heaters! One is 300kW!

Why do you refuse to address the main issue, the man is a hypocrite who refuses to practise what he preaches.

I don't care if he has a big house, or a lot of money, 600kw/d is excessive. IF there is a need to cut back on energy consumption should the wealthy be exempt?

 

BTW An instant water heater of 6kw used 10mins per day uses 1kWh

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ilostmypassword    6,194
8 minutes ago, halloween said:

Why do you refuse to address the main issue, the man is a hypocrite who refuses to practise what he preaches.

I don't care if he has a big house, or a lot of money, 600kw/d is excessive. IF there is a need to cut back on energy consumption should the wealthy be exempt?

 

BTW An instant water heater of 6kw used 10mins per day uses 1kWh

And where do you get your information from about Gore's current usage of power?

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Grouse    3,936
11 minutes ago, halloween said:

Why do you refuse to address the main issue, the man is a hypocrite who refuses to practise what he preaches.

I don't care if he has a big house, or a lot of money, 600kw/d is excessive. IF there is a need to cut back on energy consumption should the wealthy be exempt?

 

BTW An instant water heater of 6kw used 10mins per day uses 1kWh

Well your water heater maths is correct!

 

Look, I'm all for fighting climate change but I will still fly business class!

 

If you want to make a difference get the Thais to install insulation and heat pumps!

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thehelmsman    1,417
18 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

And where do you get your information from about Gore's current usage of power?

We're not allowed to post such info. I posted link and was immediately removed. Simply google and you'll have multiple sources.

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