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4 minutes ago, KunMatt said:

Apology accepted!

 

Isn't it strange how this new method was only recently introduced to fulfil a need in 2012?

 

And it is exactly distorting the data.  It has changed a region with more than a -2°C temperature average and manipulated the whole country into an above average temperature.  

 

Most of Africa appears to have no recorded data and it is modelled to be all above average temperatures dispute there being a couple of actual recording devices in Algeria and Nigeria which both read well below average temperatures.  All of this was manipulated away by this modelling system and the 2 real below average readings have both disappeared and the rest of central Africa, which agaon has no recording devices, has been modelled to be totalled above average which is probably incorrect.

 

Do you think those last 2 graphics represent the same data and what is reality?

Well, a few minutes ago you were claiming that you were honestly puzzled. And now you put up this stuff. Which goes to prove my point about your so-called innocent question.  

You can come clean now and tell us which denial site you got your info from.

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2 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Well, a few minutes ago you were claiming that you were honestly puzzled. And now you put up this stuff. Which goes to prove my point about your so-called innocent question.  

You can come clean now and tell us which denial site you got your info from.

So your whole debating tactic unjust to call everyone a liar when you don't like the questions?

 

I never took those graphics from any conspiracy theory site, I spend a disproportionate amount of my time arguing with idiot conspiracy theoritsts about their idiotic conspiracy theories.

 

I got the info from NOAA and all of the links I used here are directly from the NOAA website.  You know this is true.

 

So you refuse to acknowledge my own questions about the data because you can't answer them or because you don't like the questions?

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10 minutes ago, KunMatt said:

Apology accepted!

 

Isn't it strange how this new method was only recently introduced to fulfil a need in 2012?

 

And it is exactly distorting the data.  It has changed a region with more than a -2°C temperature average and manipulated the whole country into an above average temperature.  

 

Most of Africa appears to have no recorded data and it is modelled to be all above average temperatures dispute there being a couple of actual recording devices in Algeria and Nigeria which both read well below average temperatures.  All of this was manipulated away by this modelling system and the 2 real below average readings have both disappeared and the rest of central Africa, which agaon has no recording devices, has been modelled to be totalled above average which is probably incorrect.

 

Do you think those last 2 graphics represent the same data and what is reality?

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. All data points go back at least 80 years.

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2 minutes ago, KunMatt said:

So your whole debating tactic unjust to call everyone a liar when you don't like the questions?

 

I never took those graphics from any conspiracy theory site, I spend a disproportionate amount of my time arguing with idiot conspiracy theoritsts about their idiotic conspiracy theories.

 

I got the info from NOAA and all of the links I used here are directly from the NOAA website.  You know this is true.

 

So you refuse to acknowledge my own questions about the data because you can't answer them or because you don't like the questions?

So, please link to the evidence that shows the NOAA is making up the data history?

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2 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. All data points go back at least 80 years.

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So when all of central Africa is greyed out in the latest dataset does that mean that no data was collected for that month?

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Just now, ilostmypassword said:

So, please link to the evidence that shows the NOAA is making up the data history?

That's not at all what I said or am claiming.

 

Why are you twisting my words?  And you have the nerve to accuse me of lying!

 

As I said in my first posts, a whole region was changed from -2°C to above average temperatures.  The whole country.  The surrounding sea temperatures were only +0.5°C but somehow this cancels out the -2° to -4°C average temperature?

 

And again, the differences between the last 2 graphics where all of the Blue was erased and changed to either above average or average temperatures.  Do you think thatb3rd graphic is a good representation of the graphic before it?

 

Because to me, and probably most people looking at that graphic without understanding the model, it looks like it's been made so the graphic is much more red than it actually is.

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5 minutes ago, KunMatt said:

 

So when all of central Africa is greyed out in the latest dataset does that mean that no data was collected for that month?

Stop misrepresenting the data. Not all of Central Africa looks like it's missng data. Just some of it. And you'll be relieved to know that I checked may and april and data was reported for those areas.

And you still haven't revealed where you got your alleged info that "Most of Africa appears to have no recorded data and it is modelled to be all above average temperatures dispute there being a couple of actual recording devices in Algeria and Nigeria which both read well below average temperatures."

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1 minute ago, ilostmypassword said:

Stop misrepresenting the data. Not all of Central Africa looks like it's missng data. Just some of it. And you'll be relieved to know that I checked may and april and data was reported for those areas.

And you still haven't revealed where you got your alleged info that "Most of Africa appears to have no recorded data and it is modelled to be all above average temperatures dispute there being a couple of actual recording devices in Algeria and Nigeria which both read well below average temperatures."

That's my interpretation of that graphic.  There are 2 blue areas for Nigeria and Algeria and then most of Central Africa is grey.

 

So you agree with what I originally said, no data was collected for the grey area of Africa for June and the model filled it in as Red despite there being 2 blue areas to the west of it?  So in all likelihood this area of Africa so am talking about (Nigeria, Algeria and the grey patch) in real life is probably nothing like the graphic model.

 

If there was recording devices setup in a uniform spread throughout that entire Africa region accurately measuring the temperature it would probably be very different to that last graphic, right?

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So are we done??

 

You were so vocal when you thought you could attack my argument instead of debating it.

 

Now you cannot debate it?

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35 minutes ago, KunMatt said:

So are we done??

 

You were so vocal when you thought you could attack my argument instead of debating it.

 

Now you cannot debate it?

Believe it or not, some of us have a life outside of thaivisa. Occasionally we are called to attend to other matters.

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9 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Believe it or not, some of us have a life outside of thaivisa. Occasionally we are called to attend to other matters.

 

Classic.  You post prolificallly until we get to the point you can no longer attack my post and suddenly you're too busy.

 

My posts are still up there.  Feel free to address them properly when you have the time.

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The burning of fossil fuels and the use of nuclear energy should be reduced as quickly as possible.
Electricity generation with solar energy, wind power, wave power, geothermal use, gradient engineering should be expanded.
So that later the cooling plants can be operated to cool down the earth.

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3 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

The burning of fossil fuels and the use of nuclear energy should be reduced as quickly as possible.
Electricity generation with solar energy, wind power, wave power, geothermal use, gradient engineering should be expanded.
So that later the cooling plants can be operated to cool down the earth.

I totally agree, especially about the nuclear power.

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55 minutes ago, KunMatt said:

That's my interpretation of that graphic.  There are 2 blue areas for Nigeria and Algeria and then most of Central Africa is grey.

 

So you agree with what I originally said, no data was collected for the grey area of Africa for June and the model filled it in as Red despite there being 2 blue areas to the west of it?  So in all likelihood this area of Africa so am talking about (Nigeria, Algeria and the grey patch) in real life is probably nothing like the graphic model.

 

If there was recording devices setup in a uniform spread throughout that entire Africa region accurately measuring the temperature it would probably be very different to that last graphic, right?

First off, I don't agree that no data was collected for the area in June. But yours seems a reasonable surmise. So let's say that there was no data collected there. I counted those grids. It looks to me like 11. Then I did a rough estimate of all the grids. It seem that there are over 3000 in the area for which there is mostly consistent data (the area excluding the polar regions. So what are you are contending is that on the basis of about 1/3 of 1 percent of the grid, that the whole grid is fiction?

And by the way here is your original question: "Why does NOAA take this data; Combine it with this data; Then remove nearly all of the Blue coloured parts, and change it into this which is released to the public?"

And the answer is NOAA doesn't do that at all. What you are contending is absolutely false... The first 2 maps you pictured were deviation from the average temperature over 30 years. The final map was for data ranging in age from 80 to 133 years old. It was not derived from the first 2 maps. So your question was based on false premises.

And now since I've answered your questions, for a wild change of pace, why don't you start answering some of mine?

For instance how do you justify this statement of yours?

"Most of Africa appears to have no recorded data and it is modelled to be all above average temperatures dispute there being a couple of actual recording devices in Algeria and Nigeria which both read well below average temperatures."

Really? No recorded data for most of Africa? Where did you come up with that notion? I showed you the image from NOAA which shows the age of their data and most of Africa has it going back at least 80 years.

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30 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

The burning of fossil fuels and the use of nuclear energy should be reduced as quickly as possible.
Electricity generation with solar energy, wind power, wave power, geothermal use, gradient engineering should be expanded.
So that later the cooling plants can be operated to cool down the earth.

You might like this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/world/americas/chile-green-energy-geothermal.html

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