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Wife's Thai I.D. wrong name......after 29 years???

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Yesterday we went to the Immigration office for our 12th annual O-Retirement extension.  All the paperwork was prepared and in order, as it has been every year.   Piece of cake......But wait !!!  

 

For the last twenty nine years, my wife has carried around a Thai I.D. card. with the same name. NOW, after 29 freaking years, the officer decided she had the wrong name on her I.D. card so she has to make a three hour one way trip to Bangkok., go to the U.S. Embassy,  go to the Thai Embassy, and God knows where else (I couldn't understand the rest) to fix this egregious error.   I asked her why this had never come up before.   Oh, they always noted it and just let it go she says.  "They know we're married and it's clear on our paperwork that the I.D. card and her passport have different names (one before marriage, one after)".

 

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Isn't the passport enough, why even present a Thai ID? 

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She probably cannot do anything in Bangkok unless that is where here house book registry is for.

She can go to the Amphoe where you are living now to find out what the problem is. She may have to go to the Amphoe where her house book registry is for to get the error corrected.

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1) It isn't an error, it's a petty official being an <deleted>.  If it was an error, why ignore it for 29 years?.

 

2) She and they said Bangkok.....possibly because that's where she got her I.D. card changed.  The process to change it was rather lengthy and involved visits to both the U.S. and Thai Embassy for "permission"....maybe permission to change I.D. registrations of some sort.  Not speaking Thai I missed a bit of it when it got complicated.

 

3) A Thai I.D. card was asked for;  whether that was done in the past I have no idea.  My wife prepares the paperwork.  She's smart enough not to put in anything they don't ask for.

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, TGIR said:

1) It isn't an error, it's a petty official being an <deleted>.  If it was an error, why ignore it for 29 years?.

 

2) She and they said Bangkok.....possibly because that's where she got her I.D. card changed.  The process to change it was rather lengthy and involved visits to both the U.S. and Thai Embassy for "permission"....maybe permission to change I.D. registrations of some sort.  Not speaking Thai I missed a bit of it when it got complicated.

 

3) A Thai I.D. card was asked for;  whether that was done in the past I have no idea.  My wife prepares the paperwork.  She's smart enough not to put in anything they don't ask for.

 

 

 

She is Thai or American?  

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3 minutes ago, TGIR said:

She is Thai, and a naturalized U.S. Citizen

Well I would forget what they said & go down to the Amphor in which your wifes Blue Book is registered & just see how you go when asking for a new card due to the error 

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I just checked with her and this will have nothing to do with the blue book.  On her Thai I.D. card her name is N.... P....Duangsawang, her maiden name.  On her U.S. Passport her name is N....P... Che....., her married name. Her blue book remains in her maiden name, at an address where we no longer live, but cannot be changed until we sell that particular property.  That was why the I.D. card became an issue....her blue book didn't match her  passport and they then required her Thai ID to verify she was she.

 

She originally chose this route to avoid problems when purchasing property years ago.   Back then foreign married women weren't  allowed to buy more than one piece of property.   Apparently about 10 years ago that rule was relaxed and is longer a factor. She just told me they wanted her to change last year and she didn't bother to do it because of the hassle;  she does have to have a consultation with both Embassies to get her name changed in their records......since technically, I think, Thailand doesn't allow multiple citizenship.  She always refers to herself in these situations as a "former Thai citizen".

 

We have several arguments many years ago when she went through changing her name after we got married and I kept appealing to her to just change the name everywhere to avoid these kinds of problems.....she was still carrying a Thai passport at the time, not to use, just for a back-up I suppose.   I am reserving my right to say "I told you so" in the interest of my continuing good health.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, TGIR said:

I just checked with her and this will have nothing to do with the blue book.  On her Thai I.D. card her name is N.... P....Duangsawang, her maiden name.  On her U.S. Passport her name is N....P... Che....., her married name.  Her blue book remains in her maiden name, which she will also have to change as the property the blue book is 

 

She chose to do this to avoid problems when purchasing property years ago.   Back then foreign married women weren't supposed to be allowed to buy more than one piece of property.   Apparently about 10 years ago that rule was relaxed and is longer a factor. She just told me they wanted her to change last year and she didn't bother to do it because of the hassle;  she does have to have a consultation with both Embassies to get her name changed in their records......since technically, I think, Thailand doesn't allow multiple citizenship.  She always refers to herself in these situations as a "former Thai citizen".

 

We have several arguments many years ago when she went through changing her name after we got married and I kept appealing to her to just change the name everywhere to avoid these kinds of problems.....she was still carrying a Thai passport at the time, not to use, just for a back-up I suppose.   I am reserving my right to say "I told you so" in the interest of my continuing good health.

 

 

I cannot see what the problem with immigration is. It is perfectly legal for her to keep her maiden name after marriage.

She does not need to do anything at the US embassy since her passport is in her married name. There are no Thai embassies here in the country.

All she has to do is go the Amphoe where her house book registry is for and apply for a name change. 

The law on owning property was changed in 1998 or 1999 after the constitution of 1997 went into effect.

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1.  There is no Thai Embassy in Thailand - suspect you mean MFA which handles passports and such.

2.  There is no requirement that I am aware of to change name on ID card to husband - believe that is a law and nobody can be forced to do so.  Perhaps immigration officer is requiring for your marriage extension only.  If you can use retirement probably a non issue.

3.  ID card name change is done at District Office she is registered at and only requires Thai marriage certificate - suspect your marriage was not in Thailand and never recorded here.  Trip to Bangkok is for that paperwork to record in her district office I believe.

4.  Law on property was they would not register ownership if foreign name but now will with extra paperwork.

 

Edit:  if a foreign marriage it needs to be recorded here now for extensions of stay so this may actually be the issue rather than a name change on ID card - but if name was yours on ID card it would indicate this had been done or a local marriage.

 

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Just now, lopburi3 said:

1.  There is no Thai Embassy in Thailand - suspect you mean MFA which handles passports and such.

2.  There is no requirement that I am aware of to change name on ID card to husband - believe that is a law and nobody can be forced to do so.  Perhaps immigration officer is requiring for your marriage extension only.  If you can use retirement probably a non issue.

3.  ID card name change is done at District Office she is registered at and only requires Thai marriage certificate - suspect your marriage was not in Thailand and never recorded here.  Trip to Bangkok is for that paperwork to record in her district office I believe.

4.  Law on property was they would not register ownership if foreign name but now will with extra paperwork.

We're going around in circles here, first to lopburi3:n-O

 

1.  Yes, you are correct.  Lost in the minutiae.

2.  I don't make the rules.   Immigration wants it changed so change it we will.   We don't have a marriage extension, we have a Non-O Retirement.

3.  Our marriage was in Bangkok, recorded in Bangkok Oct. 8, 1988.  We were also married again six months later in the U.S.A.

4.  As noted in discussion of applicable law as of when we bought our first property here.

 

Now to ubonjoe:  Again, her blue book has her maiden name on it, as does her I.D. Card.   Immigration wants a Thai I.D.  to match her married name on her American Passport.  

 

This has been a lot of fun and helped me resolve discussions that I thought had died years ago.....now I must go stick my head in a bucket of something alcoholic..............................I.D.s?  We don't need no stinking I.D.s !

 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, TGIR said:

Now to ubonjoe:  Again, her blue book has her maiden name on it, as does her I.D. Card.   Immigration wants a Thai I.D.  to match her married name on her American Passport.  

They will first change her name on the blue house book and then do the new ID card after she applies for a name change.

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If a retirement extension it has nothing to do with your wife - leave her at home then they have to deal only with you - The Applicant!

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2 hours ago, Evilbaz said:

If a retirement extension it has nothing to do with your wife - leave her at home then they have to deal only with you - The Applicant!

In which case he'd better brace himself for having to surmount formidable hurdles in communicating with them since immigration officers' grasp of the English language tends to be minimal (at best) or completely non-existent (at worst) in my experience. That is one of the reasons why I always get my wife to accompany me to my local office at retirement extension of stay time.

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