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Wife's Thai I.D. wrong name......after 29 years???

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ubonjoe    17,711
9 minutes ago, TGIR said:

.until we get to immigration where she apparently is still required to submit with her application for extension of my retirement Visa, both her Blue book and her Thai I.D. card.  

I don't know why you think she has to apply for an extension. She is Thai citizens and can stay here for infinity if she enters the country on her Thai passport.

There are many Thai wives with dual nationalities. They leave and enter here on their Thai passport and use their other passport to enter and leave the other country they have a nationality for.

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lopburi3    4,677
3 minutes ago, TGIR said:

After we were Married (in Bangkok, in Thai) our Attorney suggested she file an application for a Fiance Visa to the U.S.  He explained, rightly so, that applying for a Visa as my wife would mean a long wait.  Applying for a Fiance Visa took only two months and she emigrated to the U.S. having 90 days to get married or go home.  It worked perfectly for us and no-one in the U.S. really gives a crap where we were married and whether or not we also got married in Thailand.  She wanted to be a U.S. citizen, so she took her tests, waited the two years to be naturalized and is now officially a real live American.......until we get to immigration where she apparently is still required to submit with her application for extension of my retirement Visa, both her Blue book and her Thai I.D. card.  

 

I'm happy to know many of you are so well versed in Thai law, and available for answers to a lot of questions raised by TV members, but everyone's experience with immigration is different as we all know.  I've related the facts as I know them and it won't do any good for us to keep trying to litigate what's happened in the past, or why we should do this or that.  We follow the rules as instructed by Thai immigration officials.   

Very bad advice from that attorney if you were already married I fear.  Perhaps best to end my posting here.

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flexomike    24
19 hours ago, TGIR said:

I just checked with her and this will have nothing to do with the blue book.  On her Thai I.D. card her name is N.... P....Duangsawang, her maiden name.  On her U.S. Passport her name is N....P... Che....., her married name. Her blue book remains in her maiden name, at an address where we no longer live, but cannot be changed until we sell that particular property.  That was why the I.D. card became an issue....her blue book didn't match her  passport and they then required her Thai ID to verify she was she.

 

She originally chose this route to avoid problems when purchasing property years ago.   Back then foreign married women weren't  allowed to buy more than one piece of property.   Apparently about 10 years ago that rule was relaxed and is longer a factor. She just told me they wanted her to change last year and she didn't bother to do it because of the hassle;  she does have to have a consultation with both Embassies to get her name changed in their records......since technically, I think, Thailand doesn't allow multiple citizenship.  She always refers to herself in these situations as a "former Thai citizen".

 

We have several arguments many years ago when she went through changing her name after we got married and I kept appealing to her to just change the name everywhere to avoid these kinds of problems.....she was still carrying a Thai passport at the time, not to use, just for a back-up I suppose.   I am reserving my right to say "I told you so" in the interest of my continuing good health.

 

 

She can have dual citizenship, my wife has both Thai and US, married in the US, living in Thailand now, she did do a name change, but I think the paperwork went through the Los Angelos Thai embassy, she had no problem getting her ID changed in Bangkok, but that was where her housebook was, had to take a sister with as a witness, very easy

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BEVUP    274
36 minutes ago, TGIR said:

<removed> NO, we did not get a divorce and we are legally married in both Thailand and America.....have been since 1988.   I don't know what you're talking about on the retirement issue.  She is my dependent and therefor has to submit the same paperwork to immigration I do.  She is carrying an American passport and, as I mentioned, considers herself to be An American citizen, and "former" Thai citizen.  Perhaps that's why the big deal with changing her I.D. card.

No she is not your Dependent, she is your wife who is a Thai Citz holding all the Thai Citz documents that says she is Thai

Other wise she would be doing the same as you & even more so if she entered Thai with an American PP

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TGIR    137
Just now, lopburi3 said:

Very bad advice from that attorney if you were already married I fear.  Perhaps best to end my posting here.

Very bad advice in your opinion, very good advice in mine.   To clarify, she chose to travel using her American passport.  Having done that, she is included in my Retirement Visa as a dependent and is obligated to file the paperwork as instructed by the immigration office.

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flexomike    24
1 minute ago, BEVUP said:

No she is not your Dependent, she is your wife who is a Thai Citz holding all the Thai Citz documents that says she is Thai

Other wise she would be doing the same as you & even more so if she entered Thai with an American PP

 

1 minute ago, BEVUP said:

No she is not your Dependent, she is your wife who is a Thai Citz holding all the Thai Citz documents that says she is Thai

Other wise she would be doing the same as you & even more so if she entered Thai with an American PP

She does not have to do the same paperwork that you do. Unless she entered on a foreign passport, my wife enters on her Thai passport and leaves on her Thai passport. Enters the  US on her US passport

 

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007 RED    52

I have to say that I’m somewhat puzzled as to why the IO is questioning the difference of your wife’s name on her Thai ID card.  You are extending your permission to stay based upon retirement and as such there are no requirement for your wife to produce either her ID, passport or house book.

 

I suspect that your good lady in trying to be efficient has provided more information in your renewal pack that is actually required, for example, copies of her ID card and passport etc., and that the IO has by some unlucky coincidence picked up the discrepancy.  That said, it should not prevent the IO from renewing you permission to stay based upon retirement.

 

I know when my wife and I go to extend my permission to stay on the grounds of retirement (which we did a couple of days ago) we always have a pack of additional documents held in reserve such as copies of her ID card, house book marriage certificated etc., just in case the IO asks for some additional info.  Thankfully in the past 6 years, I’ve never been asked for anything other than what is stipulated for my class of extension.  

 

The unfortunate situation is that we have to bow to the whim of the IO as they hold all the cards.  When they say jump… it’s not a good idea to ask how high… you just jump and hope that it’s high enough.

 

Hope you manage to get the situation sorted without too much more heart ache.   Good luck.

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swissbie    155
19 hours ago, TGIR said:

I just checked with her and this will have nothing to do with the blue book.  On her Thai I.D. card her name is N.... P....Duangsawang, her maiden name.  On her U.S. Passport her name is N....P... Che....., her married name. Her blue book remains in her maiden name, at an address where we no longer live, but cannot be changed until we sell that particular property.  That was why the I.D. card became an issue....her blue book didn't match her  passport and they then required her Thai ID to verify she was she.

 

She originally chose this route to avoid problems when purchasing property years ago.   Back then foreign married women weren't  allowed to buy more than one piece of property.   Apparently about 10 years ago that rule was relaxed and is longer a factor. She just told me they wanted her to change last year and she didn't bother to do it because of the hassle;  she does have to have a consultation with both Embassies to get her name changed in their records......since technically, I think, Thailand doesn't allow multiple citizenship.  She always refers to herself in these situations as a "former Thai citizen".

 

We have several arguments many years ago when she went through changing her name after we got married and I kept appealing to her to just change the name everywhere to avoid these kinds of problems.....she was still carrying a Thai passport at the time, not to use, just for a back-up I suppose.   I am reserving my right to say "I told you so" in the interest of my continuing good health.

 

 

Ok, most points have been discussed already, so to one thing, that has not yet been mentioned. You, resp. your wife, don't have to sell the house/property to be able to change the adress to an other blue book. She can keep the blue book of the old property without anybody beeing registered in it.

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ubonjoe    17,711
22 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

I have to say that I’m somewhat puzzled as to why the IO is questioning the difference of your wife’s name on her Thai ID card.  You are extending your permission to stay based upon retirement and as such there are no requirement for your wife to produce either her ID, passport or house book.

You need to go back and read the post where he states she is getting an extension as his dependent because she used her US passport to enter the country.

I think the problem is that her US passport has her married name and her Thai ID card has her maiden name.

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Tanoshi    162
23 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

I have to say that I’m somewhat puzzled as to why the IO is questioning the difference of your wife’s name on her Thai ID card.  You are extending your permission to stay based upon retirement and as such there are no requirement for your wife to produce either her ID, passport or house book.

Because his wife entered on her US passport, so she is registered on Immigrations database as having entered as a foreigner.

The OP obtains an annual extension based on retirement and his wife as his dependant.

 

The scenario by entering on the wrong passport and being a Thai citizen but being treated as a foreigner and subject to Immigration control has been raised in previous topics, of the same situations.

 

In theory, it's a problem that should be easily resolved, in practice it isn't.

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TGIR    137
4 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You need to go back and read the post where he states she is getting an extension as his dependent because she used her US passport to enter the country.

I think the problem is that her US passport has her married name and her Thai ID card has her maiden name.

 

EGGactly, as noted on both pages 1 and 2.   

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Tanoshi    162
10 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You need to go back and read the post where he states she is getting an extension as his dependent because she used her US passport to enter the country.

I think the problem is that her US passport has her married name and her Thai ID card has her maiden name.

The problem is that she is a Thai national, being treated as a foreign national.

Sort that issue out and the rest doesn't matter.

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BritTim    3,963

My reading of this thread is that, while you are both applying for extensions at the same time, your application for a retirement extension is a complete red herring. Your wife is applying for an extension as a "former Thai citizen". Presumably this because she at some point voluntarily relinquished her Thai nationality. (I am not sure if she can actually do that as someone born in Thailand to Thai parents, but immigration is presumably operating on that basis. The problem, as I see it, is that she cannot prove based on the documentation she is providing that she is a former Thai citizen. She is trying to get an extension in her US passport under one name, and showing the is card of someone with a different name as proof of her former Thai nationality.

 

My guess is that this is easily solved by reclaiming her Thai nationality which most likely has never been legally renounced. Then, leave Thailand, get a Thai passport at an embassy abroad, and reenter using the Thai passport.

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ubonjoe    17,711
Just now, BritTim said:

My guess is that this is easily solved by reclaiming her Thai nationality which most likely has never been legally renounced. Then, leave Thailand, get a Thai passport at an embassy abroad, and reenter using the Thai passport.

She is still a Thai national since she has a valid Thai ID card. All she has to do is go to a passport office and get a new passport.

Then fly out to a neighboring country using the US passport to depart the country and then re-enter using her Thai passport.

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Tanoshi    162
Just now, BritTim said:

My reading of this thread is that, while you are both applying for extensions at the same time, your application for a retirement extension is a complete red herring. Your wife is applying for an extension as a "former Thai citizen". Presumably this because she at some point voluntarily relinquished her Thai nationality. (I am not sure if she can actually do that as someone born in Thailand to Thai parents, but immigration is presumably operating on that basis. The problem, as I see it, is that she cannot prove based on the documentation she is providing that she is a former Thai citizen. She is trying to get an extension in her US passport under one name, and showing the is card of someone with a different name as proof of her former Thai nationality.

 

My guess is that this is easily solved by reclaiming her Thai nationality which most likely has never been legally renounced. Then, leave Thailand, get a Thai passport at an embassy abroad, and reenter using the Thai passport.

She didn't relinquish anything.

 

She entered Thailand on a US passport, presumably with a Visa and for all intents and purposes is now recorded on Immigrations database as a foreigner entering the Country and subject to Immigration control.

Hence when the OP gets his annual extension, she gets the same based on being his dependant.

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