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1 minute ago, Yinglove said:

How perfect is it for the wrongly convicted?

 

When a bit of sunlight is finally shone on the case of the 2 Burmese lads falsely convicted of the Koh Toa murders what can the state do?

 

If they are alive, they can release them and compensate with a decent sized payout.

If they have been executed??????

 

What about those that commit murder,do their time,only to be freed to commit another murder,so there

are two sides to every problem. Yes it happens.

regards worgeordie

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Just now, shady86 said:

Paying with own life for taking someone's life is the only way to move forward. The safest countries in the world have capital punishment for drugsand murders.

Well, that's just not true.

Just four countries considered to be industrialised still execute criminals: the US, Japan, Singapore and Taiwan. 

 

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/countries-that-still-have-the-death-penalty/

 

Death penalty is for uncivilised tinpot countries

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1 minute ago, worgeordie said:

What about those that commit murder,do their time,only to be freed to commit another murder,so there

are two sides to every problem. Yes it happens.

regards worgeordie

It doesn't happen if there is no death penalty.

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9 minutes ago, Yinglove said:

Well, that's just not true.

Just four countries considered to be industrialised still execute criminals: the US, Japan, Singapore and Taiwan. 

 

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/countries-that-still-have-the-death-penalty/

 

Death penalty is for uncivilised tinpot countries

If Japan, Taiwan and Singapore are regarded as uncivilised tinpot nations, how would you describe Thailand?

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Just now, BasalBanality said:

If Japan, Taiwan and Singapore are regarded as uncivilised tinpot nations, how would you describe Thailand?

They are the exceptions to the rule.

 

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4 minutes ago, Yinglove said:

They are the exceptions to the rule.

 

Being exceptions to the rule, much like how Thailand regards patronage with disregard to the law?

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1 minute ago, BasalBanality said:

Being exceptions to the rule, much like how Thailand regards patronage with disregard to the law?

Not sure what Thai patronage has to do with death penalty.

Look at the map - would you be living in the red/yellow or the green?

Citizens clearly have more rights and freedoms and are safer in the green coloured country's than the others.

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4 hours ago, Moonmoon said:

if Death Penalty is an effective deterrent then there shouldn't be any crimes committed at all for that particular punishment.

 

Don't get me wrong, I would sure want to bash the head in for any rapist murderer but would leave that to the justice system but would that really stop the crime?

 

More has to be done to educate and prevent crimes like this from happening. 

How much reoccurring crime  does a dead criminal commit?

 

The punishment does not deter the hot headed still living, but it does let those criminals a chance to be reincarnated and turn over a new leaf.

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I couldn't go on reading this crap, simple maths has been around for decades, i.e. 1 + 1 = 2, you kill someone, you die, i.e. 1 + 1 = 2, who cares what dreamed up statistics one has.

 

Sell hardcore drugs which will F up people's lives, death, take the risk for the $'s, "death" do the maths on that, if you knew that sellign hardcore drugs had an instance death sentence, I am sure you would think twice, that is unless your a F'n halwit which society wouldn't miss anyway.

 

There is always going to be people killing people, whether the law of death as a crime is a deter-ant or not, we ALL know one thing for certain, the offender will be dead, if you take a life, you should have yours taken, there can be no other way, this goes for dealing in hardcore drugs as well.

 

You cannot and should not want to even consider reeducating and putting these people back into the system, just take them out and keep doing it, the only thing effective is their death and that's the way it should be, not interested in anything else.

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4 minutes ago, trogers said:

How much reoccurring crime  does a dead criminal commit?

The same amount as one held in a maximum security prison for life.

4 minutes ago, trogers said:

The punishment does not deter the hot headed still living, but it does let those criminals a chance to be reincarnated and turn over a new leaf.

The punishment does kill innocent people who cannot then be re-animated to resume living their innocent lives when their innocence is revealed.

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1 minute ago, 4MyEgo said:

I couldn't go on reading this crap, simple maths has been around for decades, i.e. 1 + 1 = 2, you kill someone, you die, i.e. 1 + 1 = 2, who cares what dreamed up statistics one has.

 

Sell hardcore drugs which will F up people's lives, death, take the risk for the $'s, "death" do the maths on that, if you knew that sellign hardcore drugs had an instance death sentence, I am sure you would think twice, that is unless your a F'n halwit which society wouldn't miss anyway.

 

There is always going to be people killing people, whether the law of death as a crime is a deter-ant or not, we ALL know one thing for certain, the offender will be dead, if you take a life, you should have yours taken, there can be no other way, this goes for dealing in hardcore drugs as well.

 

You cannot and should not want to even consider reeducating and putting these people back into the system, just take them out and keep doing it, the only thing effective is their death and that's the way it should be, not interested in anything else.

And the 2 Burmese lads from Koh Toa?

 

Anyone considered eligible for the death penalty is not someone who is going to be getting parole, they are locked up for life - so your argument is false.

 

It appears you don't distinguish between 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder, manslaughter .... 

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2 minutes ago, Yinglove said:

The same amount as one held in a maximum security prison for life.

The punishment does kill innocent people who cannot then be re-animated to resume living their innocent lives when their innocence is revealed.

Then, you are raising the point about justice not being just. Nothing to do with whether capital punishment is correct for the crime.

 

I have not heard of any cases over the past 50 years in Malaysia and Singapore that executed criminals were innocent.

 

 

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Posted (edited)

Your exceptions of the rule, Japan, Taiwan and Singapore have relatively decent human rights and freedoms, their state of social stability and resilience to external influences seems to be doing relatively well.

 

I'm fortunate to have residency in one of the exceptions, it's a safe harbor.

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