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24 minutes ago, heybruce said:
49 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

"No child should ever be afraid to go outside and play and be with their parents and have a good time."

 

Huh?

Maybe he's suggesting the alt-right people have the mentality of children.

Haha! Yes, he's saying the Nazis should be allowed to play outside with their torches and hate speech without having to contend with other people pointing and saying what hateful little sh!ts they are.

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6 minutes ago, sirineou said:
12 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

Joe Biden: "There is only one side"

 

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/896496130497929220

And unfortunately , no one in Charlottesville belonged to that side.

The diverse group of counter protesters belonged to that side, the side that represents what America, at its best, aspires to be. 

 

Let's be clear that one side was protesting for the preservation of a celebration of a symbol of a war fought for the continuation of human slavery. The other side had every right to object to that and to object to it AT THE TIME IT WAS HAPPENING, not at a more convenient later date.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, JCauto said:

Of course they were! They were there to let the world know that these idiots were not representative of the views of the majority and that they supported the decision to remove the statue. And it's very effective, after all, there were far more of them and it was a far more diverse group of people. A protest after they left would have been less effective, and in fact would have provided the idiots with the kind of false equivalence that we're seeing more and more of. 

As with Scott Pruitt of the EPA forming "Red" and "Blue" teams to "debate" climate change, this is simply a tactic designed to provide an illusion that there is serious doubt about an issue (there is not, at least among those who are informed) and to give the whacko viewpoint some kind of standing beyond what it has earned. Climate change deniers were provided opportunity to review the data and findings and despite having enormous funding to do so failed to sway scientific consensus. Why should they now be given a national platform and megaphone to broadcast what they already have had discredited by the best informed and trained people on the issue? I use this as a parallel, obviously. Similarly, the view that White people are superior to others has been completely discredited. Why should they be allowed to protest without having more enlightened people demonstrate to show that they're both wrong and that their views are contrary to those of civil society? 

I respectfully disagree with you

and state again.  

You are only for free speech when you allow that which you disagree with  otherwise you engage at a different form of fascism.

I am , as we all should be against all forms of fasism

No disrespect to you, you have have being pleasant and reasonable in this little conversation we had, and I appreciate   you taking the time to engage me in this , But I don't know how many different ways I can make the same point.

 

 

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1 hour ago, sirineou said:
I respectfully disagree with you
and state again.  
You are only for free speech when you allow that which you disagree with  otherwise you engage at a different form of fascism.
I am , as we all should be against all forms of fasism
No disrespect to you, you have have being pleasant and reasonable in this little conversation we had, and I appreciate   you taking the time to engage me in this , But I don't know how many different ways I can make the same point.
 
 

 


No disrespect dude, but you <deleted> up fasism.



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7 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

The diverse group of counter protesters belonged to that side, the side that represents what America, at its best, aspires to be. 

 

Let's be clear that one side was protesting for the preservation of a celebration of a symbol of a war fought for the continuation of human slavery. The other side had every right to object to that and to object to it AT THE TIME IT WAS HAPPENING, not at a more convenient later date.

 

 

That's your opinion I happen to have a different one

If you believe This " represents what America, at its best, aspires to be.  " 

Then me and you are at profound disagreement in this subject.

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55 minutes ago, sirineou said:
Perhaps I did , I am certainly not beyond doing that
could you please show me  how I did that?
 

 


OK, I humbly apologize as I have <deleted> up many times myself.


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Posted (edited)

75% of all Civil War battles took place in Virginia, and they want to remove mention of the likes of Lee and Jackson?  Did you know Arlington National Cemetary was built on land confiscated from the Lee family?

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55 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

America's true colours across the board.

 

Historically reflected.

Get real.  

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29 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

 

Singling out the violence as if there was no context is disingenuous, and you should know better.

 

To people like us, it may be an academic dispute over free speech, to many African Americans, many of them descendants of slaves who have daily experience of racism, it is a lot more personal. It is unreasonable to expect them to wait till a less confrontational moment to confront the the white supremacists' demand for the preservation of symbols celebrating slavery.

 

You are undermining your own key point, which I fully agree with: even the haters have a right to free speech.

 

But it cannot go unchallenged. And it must be challenged AT THE TIME IT HAPPENS, not later.

 

T

 

I respectfully disagree

I am 60 years old, and have being politically active, with a left leaning since high school.

In my life I have being involved in many of these , both in the US, and Europe , and in most instances where opposing functions are allowed to  mix it up it always ends the same way with the predictable results.

I know of events where the police infiltrated the protesters and threw molotov cocktails at their own giving the the excuse to  retaliate. 

And the opposite.

Discipline , however difficult   is always the best advice,often these events are infiltrated by "Agent provocateurs " with their own agendas 

If you have idiots marching , armed with helmets , shields and clubs, and you block their way. What do you expect to happen?????

When they crossed the lawful line. the police would had dealt with them

Stay in the sidelines, ridicule them,show them for the idiots they are.

Ridicule, discounts them,  engagment give's them power.

So ask yourself , what is your goal? discounts them or give them power?

I understand the impulse to engage, but trust me, it is counter productive

 

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Trump can't come out and condemn the white supremacists because as many have said they make up a considerable proportion of his voter base, especially now so many people have seen the light over this moronic POTUS.  But these American citizens were there before Trump and will be there long after he has gone.  They are part of the cancer  in the USA and there will always be a hard core of them.  They are motivated by hate and ignorance with an unwillingness to lift their heads out of the sand.  You cannot educate these people but you can pity them.  They do know they do.....But simply cannot control their vitriol.

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1 minute ago, dunroaming said:

Trump can't come out and condemn the white supremacists because as many have said they make up a considerable proportion of his voter base, especially now so many people have seen the light over this moronic POTUS.  But these American citizens were there before Trump and will be there long after he has gone.  They are part of the cancer  in the USA and there will always be a hard core of them.  They are motivated by hate and ignorance with an unwillingness to lift their heads out of the sand.  You cannot educate these people but you can pity them.  They do know they do.....But simply cannot control their vitriol.

Every country has to deal with hate and ignorance in their own back yard.  However, the world prefers to focus on America's dirty laundry.

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The high courts already ruled that even groups like the American Nazis have a right to protest.  Skokie, Illinois comes to mind.

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